Treble Hook Design

[Brandon Khoo]

Crusty - I am going to have to impose a size limit on the size and weight of lures I am prepared to test!

More seriously, two Recorder 8/0s are at the absolute limit for most lures in the market. The lure will sink with any more weight on it. If we are going to end up with poppers which weigh 300g with hooks on, I'm not sure how practical that will be.

[Greg Burt]

Take it easy Chris, you'r getting a bit excited there 

[Luke Wyrsta]

Crusty - I am going to have to impose a size limit on the size and weight of lures I am prepared to test!

More seriously, two Recorder 8/0s are at the absolute limit for most lures in the market. The lure will sink with any more weight on it. If we are going to end up with poppers which weigh 300g with hooks on, I'm not sure how practical that will be.

Hi Brandon - we aren't speaking of 'most' lures on the market - we are speaking of usually the biggest - which are reserved for the likes of the ICUP etc.

Irrespective, you refer to Recorders - I don't like these. Firstly, I find that these tend to clean break as opposed to deformation with Decoys from my fishing experiences.

You will also find that the gauge and weight is significantly different to the Decoy. I speculate that a bigger hook can be created with same or slightly thicker gauge to that of the current Decoy GT Special.

All things bring equal, I'm no engineer or metallurgist - but I could live with a similar gauge but bigger profile/gape. I can live with deformation which I predict will not change much unless gauge is increased and gape reduced - unfortunately, both may not be achievable to be under weight of a Recorder but a larger happy medium.

I will try to weigh a Recorder and GT Special tomorrow.

[Andy Rowe]

Steve,

Ever thought of making a double 'Baker rig' style ?? a large gaped single hook welded back to back, (Siden No. 13/0 comes to mind)may go some way in satisfying some of the requests for 'grappling hook' sized trebles.

What would be the negatives apart from the obvious lack of third hook?? on the positive side you could satisfy the requirement for a larger gape hook weighing in less than a treble, also a single eye for easier rigging, you could also use it on nomad!!!

[Luke Wyrsta]

Steve,

Ever thought of making a double 'Baker rig' style ?? a large gaped single hook welded back to back, (Siden No. 13/0 comes to mind)may go some way in satisfying some of the requests for 'grappling hook' sized trebles.

What would be the negatives apart from the obvious lack of third hook?? on the positive side you could satisfy the requirement for a larger gape hook weighing in less than a treble, also a single eye for easier rigging, you could also use it on nomad!!!

That's a cool idea Andy.

[Brandon Khoo]

Luke, two Recorder 8/0s are pushing even an I Cup to the limit. I also prefer the Decoy 10/0 myself but these get deformed just a bit too easily. I don't know if metallurgy is at a point where it can make a bigger but lighter hook. I'm actually sure it is but I don't think the fishing industry is where metallurgy is focussing it's cutting edge technology.

Most of the efforts I've seen over the past few years from Chinese producers look incredibly strong but haven't proven to be under testing. Owner were testing a new prototype last season but we have seen
nothing of it to date.

[Luke Wyrsta]

Luke, two Recorder 8/0s are pushing even an I Cup to the limit. I also prefer the Decoy 10/0 myself but these get deformed just a bit too easily. I don't know if metallurgy is at a point where it can make a bigger but lighter hook. I'm actually sure it is but I don't think the fishing industry is where metallurgy is focussing it's cutting edge technology.

Most of the efforts I've seen over the past few years from Chinese producers look incredibly strong but haven't proven to be under testing. Owner were testing a new prototype last season but we have seen
nothing of it to date.

I don't mean smaller guage to current Decoy but hopefully smaller guage to Recorder but larger actual size. Achievable - I don't know. Desirable - YES!

8/0 Recorders are ok on ICUPs in my opinion but as you agree - Decoys are preferable. Even at Recorder weight it would be adequate.

I guess each persons preference and threshold or ability to work a lure is different.

[Aaron Concord]

Luke,

When popping, is it threshold or thrashhold!



Aaron.

[Andy Rowe]

I will try to weigh a Recorder and GT Special tomorrow.

Luke FYI, Gama No8/0 26gm, Decoy No.10/0 22gm, and for interests sake the ST76 5/0 18gm

[Luke Wyrsta]

Thanks Andy. That is very interesting.