No more wind knot !

[Tom Slater]

IMO the noise you hear is the braid hitting the frame of the stripper guide before it enters the ring, i fished with a prototype popping stick that had K Guides and experienced the same thing.
If you want distance stick with MNSG frames

[Mick Cunningham]

I have the K-WSGs on one of my Carpenters now. I have found that wind knots are reduced to almost nothing. The only real negative is the lines really rattles through the guides and its very loud and quite unpleasant. I have only been using the rod for practice and I haven't tested it out on a trip yet. They certainly do not look as strong as the super ocean guides like the MNSG or ICMNSG but I expect they will be strong enough.

hey brandon ...
if you do not like this rod then maybe this will suit me for some reason 


Jon ...

good find ... that,s interesting ..

now i am thinking of getting one for my g-loomis rod    ..

[Brandon Khoo]

Good Idea Crusty. I'll try that.
I haven't noticed any discernible difference in distance between the K guides and the super ocean guides.

Thank you for the kind offer, Mick. I'll keep that in mind.

[David Rapley]

hey Tom,
               Im assuming the prototype rod you were using had double foot K-guides? What sort of stick was it and what line were you running? And how much distance do you think you were loosing realisticly?

Im curious cause i was looking at putting them on a P.E. 5 popping rod. The distance lost with the single footers i put on a lighter spin blank was minimal if any at all, but this of course is with much finer line.

Maybe also how long was the rod and how many guides.?

Id apreciate the info, thanks.

    Dave.

[Andrew Colefax]

Hi Dave,
i too will be using the double foot K guides on these PE5 seeds. i have no doubt they will handle the drag and casting pressures at this weight. i am sceptical about using them on heavier stuff though. besides, in my experience with PE lines you are more prone to getting wind knots the lighter the line. i tried using PE 0.6 on my bass spin stuff and it was horrible!

i very rarely, if ever, suffer line issues on my lighter saltwater stuff (PE2 and PE3) with both rods using TYSG/TLSG guides. this i'm sure is a combination of many factors, including guide size and quantity, and spacing and position relative to spool  (i build my personal rods to suit the reels) also i believe the reel has some influence, i only use stella SR and SW's, which appear to have superior line management.

i am hoping to build up some more rods using the single foot K guides to compare though, for my own piece of mind if nothing else

[Tom Slater]

yes double footed K guides
it was 8 feet long and was fishing PE10 varivas avani GT
With another 8 footer, from the same company. Although slightly stiffer in the tip i was loosing approx 10-20m on the cast using the new rod with K guides.

The lure i was throwing was a CSP S220S

you could see the loops of your braid hitting the slanted frame before going through the ring

I think a duel setup of MNSG and the K guides towards the tip would be a good combination

[Andrew Colefax]

Hi Tom,
that was my initial worry when seeing the K guides, the line hitting the frame first. being a rod builder i've done loads of test casting over the years and there is definite merit in reversing at least the stripper guide when you see line backing up against it on the cast. do you also think being stiffer in the tip compared the other rod contributed to the lack of distance?

i notice in the fuji clip they compare to the Y and S series guides, which have the older V style frame. i would've been interested to see them test frames like the M and L

to expand further on my experiences with wind knots, i found alot of the issues i had related to the bimini loop opening on the cast, wrapping around a frame. tying a very short bimini, or using none at all on lighter gear, eliminated that

[Tom Slater]

Hi Andrew,
Possibly a little to do with the slightly softer tip, but you can definetly notice the braid hitting the frame of the guide.  The noise it makes is terrible!
I would hazard a guess with thinner line this wouldnt be an issue.

[David Rapley]

many thanks again andrew and tom,

Id have to agree with your comments andrew, light line does certainly seem to get effected worse. I also had the same trouble with doubles hanging up as they would open on the cast, but found that shortening them definatley helped. I usually just fish single to single on the lighter gear now and have alot less probs. I do find though that i get some still when using light flouro carbon as leader as the line has a tendency to almost kink (right at the knot) after numerous casts and i fing it is worse then to use as it hangs up easier. I also feel that the way people cast has an effect. I know that it seems to happen alot more if your line release off your fingers isnt timed right, so that a little bit of line comes off the reel before the lure actually starts pulling it of.

Your right andrew its the seed im want to build with the new guides, guess i want to see if the double footers suit my fishing style, as i am definately impressed with the single footers (noise and ugliness aside).

I think maybe tom it might be the line thickness you were using, having a bigger surface of line hitting the guides   may certainly be whats causing the distance problems. As i said in an earlier post, it doesnt seem to make any difference with very light line, but we all know that things can compound as   you go up in size.. I cant wait to build this new stick so i can do my own comparisons. Thanks again guys for your comment..

Dave