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David Sharples

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Tuna popping
November 13, 2007, 08:51:03 PM
I'm starting to look more and more at an outfit for tuna popping, chucking lighter lures 50-100g. I'm thinking of getting a Tenryu Spike Tuna and Twin Power 8000HG with 40lb Power Pro that actually breaks nearer 55lb.

Has anyone got any thoughts on this outfit?

Brandon I know you were thinking about getting a tuna outfit, how far did you get?   :)

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Re: Tuna popping
November 13, 2007, 08:58:53 PM
Hi Dave ,

For me Carpenter TN87 is the best rod for tuna popping , coupled with Stella 6000/8000 filled with PE4 and you are ready for YFT up to 70 kg but for bigger fish where long fight is expected , Carpenter OMA92 and bigger capacity reel combination is a better choise ( mine is still stella 16000F filled with PE5 ) .

Jon . 
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Re: Tuna popping
November 13, 2007, 09:16:19 PM
Hi Jon,

Cheers for that. I'd love a few Carpenter rods but if you saw the way my expenditure was creeping for this trip and others next year you'd also want to keep things to as minimum value  ;D

Saying that though Anglers Pro-Shop is out of stock of the longer Tenryus, they only have the 7'6 one so it may have to be a Carpenter if new stock doesn't arrive in time....

Cheers

David


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Re: Tuna popping
November 13, 2007, 09:45:33 PM
Hi Dave ,

The following Carpenter rods are good for tuna popping : TN87 , OMA92 , LR88 and TBL80/30RF , I have used them all on YFTs and all of them can cast 60 gr. lures to a great distance and to certain extend even 40 gr. lures can achieve an acceptable distance .

I am affiliated with Carpenter rods and therefore can't comment on other brand but I believe Carpenter rods are among the best money can buy . A 7'6" rod may be a little too short for the task , even for a Carpenter
rod .

Jon .
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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 11:17:39 AM
David - I've had a tuna popping outfit for some time but I replaced my Saltiga TN80 a while back with a TN-87 Carpenter. If you're looking for one of these, I'd strongly encourage to heed Jon's advice on the length of the rod. Even with the very limited experience I have on tuna, it is really clear that casting distance is paramount, even more so than for GTs. The fish are often a long way and if you can reach them, its the difference between catching or not catching fish.

Tuna move so quickly that it really is a case of one moment they are there and the next, they're gone!
If it swims; I want to catch it!

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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 08:21:57 PM
Latest is I think I'm looking at a Zenaq Tuna 8'3 or 8'6. The Tenryus are sold out and not being made any more. Wish I could afford a Carpenter but just think its tough to justify for a couple of trips a year.

Its all coming together nicely!

Yeah I get that long distance thing Brandon, spent a long hot day chasing these things in Kenya early this year. As soon as you get to the spot where they're busting they disappear and come up again 100m behind you in the spot you just left! B***stards!

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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 08:44:27 PM
Hi Dave ,

With slow moving boat , it's tough to cast into the school of these fast moving school of YFTs but with fast boat , as long as the captain understands what is needed to achieve a long cast ( cast with the wind , not cutting into the path of the schools , etc. ,etc. ) , one should be able to get a few shot . With me , I cast in front of the school while the boat is still moving and usually I am the first one to get a strike although at times I was the one casting into the wrong spot because the school changed direction .

Jon .
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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 08:59:18 PM
Hi Jon

What lures do you think I should take? Have some smaller craftbait stickbaits, baby runbohs, will get some smith metal casting lures, do you reckon some pencil poppers as well? Usually just use raider type slices..

Have you had any experience of Zenaq rods?

Cheers for your help

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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 09:12:57 PM
G'Day Dave , re tuna popping up 100m behind boat (where you just left) sometimes you need to be very patient with these fish to understand their feeding habits, for example longtail tuna can be very lazy feeders in that they will surface feed on a bait school for what seems like only 10 seconds or so and will then mill around picking up the straglers that have been stunned &/or seperated from the main school, also tuna in general generate a lot of body heat when they are feeding hard & I have heard that they often head deaper in the water column to control this , if this is true or not I don't know ( I'm not a fish ) but I can tell you that I have seen countless numbers of schools sound after feeding only to pop up in the same place only minutes later
Cheers Chris

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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
Hi Jon

What lures do you think I should take? Have some smaller craftbait stickbaits, baby runbohs, will get some smith metal casting lures, do you reckon some pencil poppers as well? Usually just use raider type slices..

Have you had any experience of Zenaq rods?

Cheers for your help

Hi Dave ,

When tuna popping , one needs to match the lure to the bait they are eating and needless to say , sometimes even cow tunas eat very small baitfish  , much smaller than any of the lures in the market .

In happened once to me , we were practically surrounded by YFTs eating baby rabbit fish not bigger than my thumb which were taking refuge under our boat , we cast every lures we have onboard and none got even a look at , we did foul hooked a few with Rapala CD but would soon torn off . I was at a loss of wits till I found a small freshwater spoon left over from my trip to the river/reservoir , changed the treble to a stronger one and needlessly to say I could not cast too far with such a light lure with my TN87 but we got fish after fish from each cast , everyone onboard took turns to boat the fish that day from one single outfit and in total we caught some 20+ YFTs weighing 15~25 kg speciments , wud have been more but we lost that spoon after the leader parted .

Pencil popper is the PREFERRED lure for tuna , chugger works but take too long to retrieve when the boat must move fast to chase the moving school , stickbait will work but won't be as good to cast as pencil popper . When targetting YFTs , bring pencil poppers weighhing 40 ~ 80 gr. .

As for Zenaq rod , yes I have tried belonging to a friend of mine . My advise is : before you buy one , try other brands and compare , many have this opinion : " the tip vibration is excessive " when being cast which reduce casting distance . As for Carpenter , they are expensive but when you want to sell your Carpenter rod , the resale value is still high and there are ready market , try that with Zenaq .

Jon .
Last Edit: November 14, 2007, 10:05:45 PM by Jon Li
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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 10:13:31 PM
Its tricky for me to try as I live in London and we don't have these rods here, if we did they would also cost two times the price! So I have to ask as many people as possioble their advice and hope for the best.

What I am thinking is get the Zenaq one now, then get a Carpenter as well next year, keep the Zenaq for a spare! This time round I am buying so much tackle that I need to keep costs down as much as possible.

Do you think these rods will be OK for light popping over the reef or is there another type I would need for this?

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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 10:18:16 PM
Dave - you've lost it completely! For a guy who wasn't sure whether to spend the money on a Stella................

If it swims; I want to catch it!

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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 10:22:53 PM
Ha ha I know Brandon I think I have some sort of problem! Maybe Luke can open another board for Tackle Addicts Anonymous...

I just hate the idea of travelling half way round the world and finding that I'm not prepared for something..

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Re: Tuna popping
November 14, 2007, 11:56:35 PM
Hi Dabid ,

Mt TN87 has subdued 20+ kg GT without problem but once you are targetting 30+ kg GT , I don't think that rod is meant for that and I wud go one class higher LR88 and so on .

Jon .
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Re: Tuna popping
November 15, 2007, 07:32:32 AM
The Zenaq 83 5 seems very popular with New Caledonia popping guys for medium GTs and also the US boys for tuna, sounds like a bit of a each way rod.
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