Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) > Tackle & Techniques
FG and PR Knots
Gareth Branicki:
thanks greg for posting much easier than hand twisting for somone whos hands are not most dextrous . Luke you mentioned in your post that many japanese use this method for the warpping stage This is the area which i have had problems . I will stick to the traditonal finish for the fg half /hitches etc . Is there a disadvanted doing the wraps this way . As there is little pressure . Thanks all f0r the replies
Gareth Branicki:
Just an update on my long going struggle with the fg knot . Peter C haven't had time to call Doug at a convenient hour but ewill when get back next week .
However using a technique i found no problems now with the wraps or the initial half hitches however due to using only 80 pound jb solid and very 170 lb leader found when testing that the half hitches straight after the wraps were undoing as for the half hitches braid to braid also undid and left the finished knot looking wrong .
Have since using gloves and teeth really tightened the half hitches straight after the wraps and decided to use the rizitto finish seems much neatly .
today put on the leather gloves attached a length of line to a post in the yard wound the leader over the handles of one of my kids old scooters and pulled as hard as i could .'
The braid broke 4 cm down from the knot which was still in-tack so finally think i might actually have this knot still take over 4 minutes but finally finding some light at the end of the tunnel lol ;D
Peter Childs:
Gareth, a couple of really important things when tying the FG;
1) After you do the initial half hitches (the same sided ones around both the leader and main line) - tighten the living daylights out of it with gloves on both hands - as tight as you dare. You should see the braid 'bite' into the leader as it slips ever so slightly, which fuses the whole lot together. - THEN do the final hitches around the main line!
2) burn over the tag of the leader and the tag of the braid with a lighter.
If you do this, the hitches should not come undone!
Cheers PC.
Brandon Khoo:
I suppose if you can't do the twists for a FG knot, this might be useful but realistically, once you learn it, you can literally do the twists for a FG in a matter of seconds. It's worth learning instead of going through this rigmarole.
A couple of years ago, Rob Ciotucha and I did quite a number of tests to destruction on the FG and PR knot and one very interesting characteristic we found on both knots was that it was important to do the half hitches down the braid to complete the knot. It is not a matter of slippage but it was very apparent that for some reason, the knot where you did the half hitches down the braid had more resistance to a shock load. We couldn't really understand why this was the case but it we did at least twenty tests of this.
I'd suggest the 100% knot strength statement is a fantasy.
Mario Benedict:
--- Quote from: Brandon Khoo on December 08, 2010, 10:26:46 AM ---I suppose if you can't do the twists for a FG knot, this might be useful but realistically, once you learn it, you can literally do the twists for a FG in a matter of seconds. It's worth learning instead of going through this rigmarole.
A couple of years ago, Rob Ciotucha and I did quite a number of tests to destruction on the FG and PR knot and one very interesting characteristic we found on both knots was that it was important to do the half hitches down the braid to complete the knot. It is not a matter of slippage but it was very apparent that for some reason, the knot where you did the half hitches down the braid had more resistance to a shock load. We couldn't really understand why this was the case but it we did at least twenty tests of this.
I'd suggest the 100% knot strength statement is a fantasy.
--- End quote ---
Do you find that burning the leader to a mushroom head necessary Brandon ? It's very tricky to do it on a rocky boat. The skipper in NZ didn't really bother with burning the leader and he said it doesn't really make much of a difference as long as the half hitches and wraps are tight.
Last thing you want to do is burn the mainline braid and have to redo the knot all over again :-[
Also is 2 inch of wraps on the PR knot sufficient ?
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