Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) > Tackle & Techniques
Stickbaits - different types
Hal Harvey:
I'll add my biased two bit's worth. Some of our guys love using Ocea Pencils on kings and smaller pelagics (macks and tuna), while others have been a lover of the equivalent Daiwa stickbait, Dorado Slider 14. Both are definitely great lures and all the staff have stocked up on them, though neither of them are GT lures in my book; but Daiwa also do a Dorado Slider 18cm, in either 65g or 85g, and that is a very desirable lure! We just got them in this week. I bought some when I went to Japan last year and have been using them, love 'em, so very happy to now have them on the Australian market.
Bernie talks about adding more weight to a Wahoo. I did ask the manufacturer to do this late last year, to give it more 'bob' on the pause, and the newer ones are a little weightier in the tail than the originals, but they didn't go as far as I originally wanted them to. But then after having used them more I do reckon it's really just a change of technique compared to using stickbaits that have even heavier tails, and I'm happy with how they are now. They also did me up some high floating ones, lighter, which were theoretically going to be good for lagoon country, but in practice weren't required, so we scrapped that plan.
This is a link to some of our stickbaits. About the end of the month we'll also have Wahoo 125s, which are physically sized between the 100 and the 150, not just a heavier version of the 100.
We've been experimenting as much as time allows with using singles on Dyneema/Kevlar cord, instead of singles on split rings or trebles on split rings. Results to date have been very encouraging, at least on big fish. Jobus and SJ-51s for extra-heavy lures, and SJ-41 Owners for most things, seem to be the go.
Brandon Khoo:
Hal - it is interesting you made the same observation of the Wahoo. My comment on adding weight was that for most of the time, I seem to be fishig for GTs in relatively rough water. In these conditions, I like my stickies to sink slowly so i can then dart them back up to the surface and then let them sink again.
Jon is a regular visitor to this site and he is aiming to continualy improve the lures. As I have pointed out above, they work pretty damn well already!
In calm water, I tend to go for a Smith Runboh or (gasp) a Carpenter Gamma as they really are a surface stickbait. The Runboh, however, will sink slowly with a pair of big recorder trebles on it.
The Daiwa and Shimano stickbaits loko great but if only they came in a 120g size!! You can really tell you're on a GT website here!!
Are you finding a more secure hookup with the assist rigged singles?
--- Quote from: Hal Harvey on March 22, 2007, 11:48:18 PM ---I'll add my biased two bit's worth. Some of our guys love using Ocea Pencils on kings and smaller pelagics (macks and tuna), while others have been a lover of the equivalent Daiwa stickbait, Dorado Slider 14. Both are definitely great lures and all the staff have stocked up on them, though neither of them are GT lures in my book; but Daiwa also do a Dorado Slider 18cm, in either 65g or 85g, and that is a very desirable lure! We just got them in this week. I bought some when I went to Japan last year and have been using them, love 'em, so very happy to now have them on the Australian market.
Bernie talks about adding more weight to a Wahoo. I did ask the manufacturer to do this late last year, to give it more 'bob' on the pause, and the newer ones are a little weightier in the tail than the originals, but they didn't go as far as I originally wanted them to. But then after having used them more I do reckon it's really just a change of technique compared to using stickbaits that have even heavier tails, and I'm happy with how they are now. They also did me up some high floating ones, lighter, which were theoretically going to be good for lagoon country, but in practice weren't required, so we scrapped that plan.
This is a link to some of our stickbaits. About the end of the month we'll also have Wahoo 125s, which are physically sized between the 100 and the 150, not just a heavier version of the 100.
We've been experimenting as much as time allows with using singles on Dyneema/Kevlar cord, instead of singles on split rings or trebles on split rings. Results to date have been very encouraging, at least on big fish. Jobus and SJ-51s for extra-heavy lures, and SJ-41 Owners for most things, seem to be the go.
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Hal Harvey:
--- Quote ---Are you finding a more secure hookup with the assist rigged singles?
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About on par with trebles so far, but a lot more 'comfortable' when getting the hook/s back out of fish. Every once in a while we've still had the odd bent treble even with the best of Owners, which of course you don't get with assist singles. I have my doubts about singles on split rings though... haven't tried it but the limited flexibility and the fact that you have to spread the ring so much to get it over the hook eye both leave me cold.
Some of the customers are well into using assist singles on minnows for barra etc too now. I reckon this will be big news in the next year or two.
Brandon Khoo:
I find the Jobus are a nightmares on split rings. The hook may be bloody strong but I am not sure if I have or haven't compromised the strength of the split ring.
On barra, I have been using the single for a little while now. Anecdotally, I believe you don't hook as many fish but I sure don't lose as many to thrown hooks either. I use the owner opposite eye hooks for this.
Andrew Poulos:
Hit the rocks again this morning, and used the slider again. Played around with the technique and now I do like the way they work. Water wasnt as rough as last time, and I had a follow from a king on it. Quite happy with the slider now compared to before now that I can work it better.
Didnt know they came in 85 gram sizes? Hal, is that large size new ?
Looking forward to giving the orions a go soon too.
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