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Carpenter & Stella vs. Jigging Master (which do u prefer ?)

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Mark Harris:
I don't know of too many jigging spots in Sumba....?

As for the Doggies at Pulau Kambing in Alor - good luck :). I am not sure anything can stop the really big ones there in those formula 1 speed currents. I tried, even with the OH100 XHS, and failed (breaking my S526 along the way). A lot of adrenalin pumping fun though.  One tip - jig at night there. You mentioned 300-500 gram jigs - forget that at Pulau Kambing. 500 absolute minimum and 700-800 could easily be required to get any sort of drop.

No doubt that an OH100 XHS with a SW20000 is a good pairing.  I guess the only other reel worthy of the grunt of this rod would be an Expedition. Whether it is the right solution depends a lot on you Lenny as per my previous remarks. I would urge you to think carefully before buying what is a very tough rod to use properly for any extended period.

Eric Tai:
I think an important question is whether you are more comfortable jigging with an overhead or spinning setup. Have you had much practice jigging for large sambos using an overhead outfit?

If not perhaps you should head out with Al Bevan and have a go before you make your decision.

Brandon Khoo:
Lenny, IMHO, there is a bit of a fallacy out there with doggies and that is you need go up in gear to maximum power.  No angler I know is capable of holding onto a very heavy outfit on very heavy drag against a huge doggie that is determined to go in one direction and prevail. With big doggies, we tend to land the stupid ones only. By no means am I denigrating some of the captures of really big doggies but the reality is that if you hook a really big doggie in deep water and it decides it is going in one direction and one direction only, it's a goner. The only ones we land are ones that swim all over the place in every direction.

I've found in the past that there is but a marginal difference whether I am fishing PE6 or 8 or even PE10. The fish is going to swim wherever it wants to. If anything, really pulling hard on them seems to send them berserk and then they fight crazy hard, literally running themselves to their deaths. The trade-off then is whether you're better off with more line to allow the fish to swim all over the place or the addtional pressure you can apply with heavier braid. I can tell you that going heavier on doggies didn't work for me - at all. About the time I stopped fishing for doggies, I was thinking of going the other way and that was back to PE6 and playing it softly, softly with them. Incidentally, I got an OH55 specifically to dish out some punishment on big doggies. I sure taught some samsons a lesson with that rod but the only thing that rod achieved with any decent sized doggie was I started crying for my mummy a lot earlier than I did with my Nirai or Fremantle.

As for overhead or spinning, only you can make that decision. The best jiggers I have seen like Yoichi Mogi, Dave Irving or even Tak Otsuka locally all tend to use overheads for some reason. I'm too damn uncoordinated myself.  :'(  I think Eric's idea is a good one - head out for a charter with Al and try out what it is like.

Mark Harris:

--- Quote from: Brandon Khoo on February 27, 2011, 04:50:09 PM ---............ I got an OH55 specifically to dish out some punishment on big doggies. I sure taught some samsons a lesson with that rod but the only thing that rod achieved with any decent sized doggie was I started crying for my mummy a lot earlier than I did with my Nirai or Fremantle.
--- End quote ---

I know that feeling Brandon  :(.

On spinning v overhead it is a personal preference thing I think. There is no doubt in my mind that mechanical jigging with a spinning set up requires less co-ordination so it is easier in that sense. On the other hand, lifting a big fish and jigging big weights for long periods is probably easier with an overhead.  Whichever way, I think you get used to it.

Jon Li:
Not an expert in jigging but these 2 rods have completely different actions , JM will bend from the handle while Carpenter start at mid point , the choise is up to each individual angler .

As far as Carpenter rods are concerned , OH55XH-S and OH52XH-B will perform better for fast moving current areas such as Bali , Alor , etc. while in slow moving current , OH55XH-S will feel like a broom stick and OH56MH-S or OH54MH-B are a better choise . I sell most of OH55XH-S or OH52XH-B to Bali anglers and they are mostly young angler upgrading from other brands .

Carpenter jigging rods are definitely " deep jigging " rods , should one jig in relatively shallow water less than 80 m , check MC Works Northern Blue models which in my opinion is a better choise of rods .

Jon .

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