What Combo Do You Use!? (GT Fishing & Popping)

[Peter Childs]

I think the grip length issue is exacerbated by the fact that the hypalon grip finishes about 15  - 20mm short of the end of the butt......not sure why they did that!

Peter, I had that debate with Tak and Brandon in the Carpenter forum a while ago in respect of MH80H. I don't like that feature either and in fact had the grip re-buillt on mine to full cover the ferrule. But, it is down to which factory Carpenter use to make the butt sections and not specific to particular models. For example I have seen DJ83MH with full hypalon grip and with the version that finishes short and leaves the female ferrule exposed.

Thats interesting Mark.

I found these two photos on the Plat site in respect of the Blue Chaser 83/40R........Apparently you pay more for the custom version, only to miss out on 20mm of grip!.......WTF?

[Nicolas Lim]

I thought that was quite unusual. The custom model is a lot more expensive than the standard one too. That particular feature seems to be the only difference too.

[Mark Harris]

Here's the link to previous discussions on this in the Carpenter forum:
http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=3687.30

[Peter Childs]

Got it, thanks Mark!

[Les Maunder]

I have just purchased a 2010 Saltiga 5000 and there is a point to watch on them. The metal drag washers are punched out and not machined. Mine were so bad that it required a lot of honing to get them flat. I have been happy withe reel other than this.

Also SOM do make a NL spool for the new models -  see previous post

http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=4976.0

SOM quote a 15kg drag rating with the spool full of line, while Daiwa quote 15 kg drag with spool empty. A spool rated at 15 kg empty will have approx 7.5 kg drag when the spool is full (there is a formula for this). I have not checked any of the manufacturers claims on these ratings.



Cheers

Les

[Mark Harris]

Thanks for that Les. I had read that before and it is a disappointing feature for sure.

I have been sitting on the fence about buying a new Saltiga for a long while now, and was focused most on a 6500H.  This slightly startling revelation about the the very high line cap on a 5000H is though very interesting, and just might make me take the plunge.

I have none of the Shimano versus Daiwa baggage as used a Dogfight happily for many years alongside various Stellas and it is still running well.

[michael north]

My combo, yamaga atlas 76/6 and ep85/36 with a 5000h, I'm looking at getting a 10000 with a som spool. In the near future. I have had no problems with the 5000h and the highest I have fished it was 11kg and it handled this flawlessly, I can not fault the reel, I'd just like to try a stella of comparitive size so I can have an informed decision on the stella/saltiga debate

[Andy Rowe]

Hi Les, thanks for the link, it looks like the SOM addition would add no extra line cap on the  salti 5000, but as you say the daiwa drag may still a question mark.

This washer issue was the same with the previous saltiga reel versions, if true on the new salti I find it hard to see why Daiwa have gone to all the trouble of making a new real with all it's new fangled lubrication etc. and left in this piece of low quality work in the drag assembly.

I have just purchased a 2010 Saltiga 5000 and there is a point to watch on them. The metal drag washers are punched out and not machined. Mine were so bad that it required a lot of honing to get them flat. I have been happy withe reel other than this.

Also SOM do make a NL spool for the new models -  see previous post

http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=4976.0

SOM quote a 15kg drag rating with the spool full of line, while Daiwa quote 15 kg drag with spool empty. A spool rated at 15 kg empty will have approx 7.5 kg drag when the spool is full (there is a formula for this). I have not checked any of the manufacturers claims on these ratings.



Cheers

Les

[Damir Ruk]

Hi Guys, here are my outfits and please, no laughing. only just starting out. Rods: Daiwa Saltist Demon Blood 802XH pe8, 762H pe5 and Daiwa Emblem Pro 762 MHFS pe3. Reels: Shimano Stella 10000XG with SOM NL and Daiwa Certate Hyper Custom 4000H-PE. Line: YGK Castman WX8 pe8 on SOM, YGK Jigman Ultra pe5 on 10000 spool and Daiwa Tournament Accudepth 40lb on Certate. I will end up with a Carpenter or Ripple.................one day.

[Les Maunder]

Hi Andy

I have a Z4500 Daiwa and the metal drag washers are machined and anodised albeit rather thin. They appear soft as I have had to re lap them as the anodising became scored.  From your experience it appears they have changed mid stream to stamping.

I will send an email to Daiwa Australia, but do not expect a miracle reply.

I am in the process of getting an engineer to machine some flat washers that a slightly thicker from 440C.


Cheers


Les

[Dmitrii Novgorodtcev]

Lots of potential options but the ones I use most often these days would be:

Carpenter MH80H with SW18000 PE8 or Dogfight PE10
Carpenter CV79/40 with SW10000 with 160000 spool PE8
Carpenter EP82/38 with SW10000 with 160000 spool PE8
Carpenter  DJ83MH with SW18000 PE8 or Dogfight PE10
Ripple fisher GT82 with Twinpower 12000 PE8
Carpenter LGM SP80M with SW10000 PE6

Mark,
I noticed that you use PE8 with Stellas, but PE10 with Saltigas for the same rod set up (so I assume for the same conditions). What is the reason for that?

[Mark Harris]

Mark,
I noticed that you use PE8 with Stellas, but PE10 with Saltigas for the same rod set up (so I assume for the same conditions). What is the reason for that?

No real logical reason for that Dimitrii. I guess to me the Dogfight just feels like a gruntier reel, particularly in the handle and bail arm departments.

As much as anything else though, I rarely fish find fishing as heavy as PE10 necessary and my two Dogfight spools just happen to be loaded with PE10. I do sometimes carry around a spare Stella 20000 spool loaded with PE10, but I don't ever remember actually using it.

[Dmitrii Novgorodtcev]

Thanks for your explanation, Mark.

I can not help asking..... I have just gave away my Tokara 60 which I used mainly with stickbaits and now looking for a stick bait GT rod. And you have very nice choice of rods which I think are good for stickbaits - I am just choosing from CV79/40, EP82/38 and DJ83MH and you have all of them! Can you help me with choosing?
I am thinking of DJ83MH most of all because it is the only one which can be used with PE10, and the only doubt is that it is kind of "old" generation of Carpenter, though it is also very proven... What are the strong points of CV and EP in comparison to DJ? I would appreciate your help very much.

[Mark Harris]

Hi Dmitrii

If you want a pure stickbait rod, I would not go for DJ83MH.  I see that rod as more of an all rounder - indeed one of the very best all round GT rods ever made in my opinion.  It will certainly handle stickbaits but there are better specialist options. Great rod but possibly not what you are looking for.

As for CV79/40 versus EP82/38.... take your pick really. But  I would not be comfortable fishing PE10 with either of them.  CV79/40 is a little stiffer tipped in my opinion but I have read views which disagree with that.  Obviously EP82/38 will cast further, although I have always thought CV79/40 casts further than you might expect for its length.  I do not think you would be disappointed with either option.  If using medium sized chuggers as well as stickbaits with the rod is a likelihood, then I would say CV79/40 is more suited.

If you want a specialist PE10 stickbait rod though, I do not think Carpenter make one (yet) and your options would be limited to Ripple Fisher Ultimo range.

All just my views of course and other may disagree.

[Dmitrii Novgorodtcev]

Thank you, Mark. But it looks like got harder to make a right choice...  As for Ultimo, it says 10PE, but it looks more PE8 class for me...