Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) > Tackle & Techniques
Anyone with experience with T-Russell and Seed GT blanks?
Daniel Chee:
Irregardless of short, medium or long it just depends on the preference and fighting style of the angler. So as long as you are comfortable using what you feel is match to you, its all good :)
--- Quote from: Yu Hock on February 28, 2008, 05:36:18 PM ---Yah, let's keep the theory open and leave the bats and poles out. After all Shimano has been selling short handle rods for years. Isn't it shooting their own foot for saying it won't work? 8)
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Daniel Chee:
Hi Brandon,
You guys are at the forefront of the popping sport, and if its anything to go by, it should be me who should be taking pointers from you guys. :)
Anyway, I believe the European Carpenters are heavier than their "Asian" counterparts due to the extension made on the rear grip. I believe Jon has mentioned that this has been addressed and changed with the new rods. That being said, additional weight at the butt end is actually okie too as it can make the tip feel lighter.
Anyway, one of the reasons why the Kaibutsu is still able to maintain its weight even with an alu reelseat is due to the fact that the reelseat is actually bonded directly to the blank without any spacers. This is a stronger yet lighter construction with less chances of failure.
For Jons concern over the foregrip size, it takes considerable lesser effort if your fingers can go round the grip more.....if you do a chin up on a thick bar vs one that you can get your fingers around, you can immediately understand what I mean.
Cheers
Dan
--- Quote from: Brandon Khoo on February 28, 2008, 05:45:25 PM ---It's good to have someone with your knowledge here, Dan. I hope we can look forward to further contributions from you on this forum.
It's interesting as with the design of this rod, Shimano have intentionally gone away from conventional thinking. You can't have innovation without innovative thinking so it will be interesting to get some feedback from guys who are actually using the rod.
I know with the Carpenter than the longer handled rods like the WV83 and SP710 are advertised as European models so the designed has obviously made them for a conventional gimbal belt. The disadvantage of the longer butt in the Carpenters is it adds a lot of weight. This is an issue the Caranx does not have.
Yu Hock, I am not familiar with any short handled GT rods that Shimano have released in the past?
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67er:
--- Quote from: Brandon Khoo on February 28, 2008, 05:45:25 PM ---It's good to have someone with your knowledge here, Dan. I hope we can look forward to further contributions from you on this forum.
It's interesting as with the design of this rod, Shimano have intentionally gone away from conventional thinking. You can't have innovation without innovative thinking so it will be interesting to get some feedback from guys who are actually using the rod.
I know with the Carpenter than the longer handled rods like the WV83 and SP710 are advertised as European models so the designed has obviously made them for a conventional gimbal belt. The disadvantage of the longer butt in the Carpenters is it adds a lot of weight. This is an issue the Caranx does not have.
Yu Hock, I am not familiar with any short handled GT rods that Shimano have released in the past?
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. I NEVER thought short handle was possible for long stiff popping rods and that is why I enquired on shorter and softer popping blanks to entertain the thought of building one. To say that short handle can't cast far is like saying those short handle baitcast rods that shimano sells won't work. Casting is not always about pull and punch (like surf casting). To understand this go buy yourself two 5 1/2 bc blanks and build one with regular handle and one with long handle like your popping rod and you tell me which one cast further. To make things even more interesting build another one with pistol grip and you have it cast further than all two. What? Single hand cast further than both hands? Oh yes, if we open our mind like parachute it will work. It is all about having all the load that one CAN handle. Now please don't misunderstand that I say single hand 8ft popping rod is possible, it won't work even for a 7fter. Like I said it is all about all the load majority of us can handle. Obviously the taper, length and material of the blanks play a very important role, in the same context was why I had a hard time finding a short and softer popping rod in the first place. The idea is that simple but I have a bad feeling that I was misunderstood of saying all the long handle popping rods are a market failure. I am merely hoping to find a rod that IMO can be best of both worlds. I say it again popping is more about casting than fighting fish so the long handle length is undestandable. Hope this is clear for all. Can we move on now?
Brandon Khoo:
But baitcasting blanks are built primarily for accuracy, not distance. For distance with a GT rod, I cannot see how you can possibly cast a short handled rod as far as a longer handled rod. It is a simple matter of leverage
Jon Li:
Hi Dan ,
In my case , the foregrip size must suit one's hand , in tennis racket I use 4 1/2 grip and when I tried playing with my daughter's racquet , each time I do my stroke I wud twist the racquet due to too small a grip . My fingers are pressing against my hand and preventing me from gripping the racquet tightly .
The same with rod ( any kind ) , lest you want Brandon's " .... claw " syndrome , the grip must suit one's hand and I stand by my statement that Caranx Kaibutsu's foregrip is a little too small for me , it's no bigger than the butt grip of my bass rod . I am a smaller guy than you so your hand must be bigger than mine , I wonder how you can exert strong enough grip under substantial pressure from the big fish fighting for it's life ?
Jon .
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