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Nathan Tsao

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Carpenter Wild Violence Makeover
December 10, 2012, 03:14:17 PM
About 6 months back i purchased a second hand WV80XH. It was in good condition, but you could tell that it had been fished. I paid $650 for the rod and had a friend pick it up for me shipped from japan. Once i saw the rod, i told myself "dammit". Being a rod builder for the last 15 years, i was pretty upset with myself for spending that kind of money for a used factory rod, no matter what manufacturer.

A few weeks ago, i was bored sitting around the house with my girlfriend, so decided to tear down the rod to bare blank and give it a makeover plus a couple of changes.
Step one was to get rid of the foregrip. I dont like foam as a grip material, and i absolutely despise using gloves while fishing. So the foam was replaced by my favorite grip material of surf style cork-tape. It has a slimmer and solid feel on the blank, while being very "sticky" in the hand under all conditions. The reelseat and reargrip were kept original out of laziness. The original foam foregrip has a slightly larger inside diameter than the blank handle, and is attached with a "weave" of masking tape and epoxy. It was not attached very well as there was not much contact area between the foam/tape/epoxy/blank, and masking tape should never ever ever be used in rodbuilding. A better attachment would have been a full contact epoxy coat, with the foam fit snuggly to the blank. I never took off the reelseat so i dont know if it is also attached with masking tape arbors or not.

Step two was to tear down all the wrapping on the rod from butt to tip. I have to say that i was disappointed with the guide wraps on the rod. They were only wrapped on with a single layer of size E thread with an underwrap of size D. For a rod that retails for about $1200, it should be expected that the guides come double overwrapped. (So far out of the several high end Japanese rods that i have repaired, only Fisherman Rods come double wrapped from the factory) The epoxy on the guides of the WV was done very very well, despite the single wrap job.
Once the guides were off, i replaced the 40mnsg stripper guide with a 40HH. It sits much higher off the blank, and i am finding much smoother casting with this stripper guide compared to the mnsg (keeps the line slap off the blank). It is the same stripper that i prefer on some of my distance shore rods.

No disrespect to the Carpenter Brand at all, it is a great rod, and well built for a factory rod. It's just that as a custom builder, i had hoped to see a little more since my rods cost waaaaay less than this factory rod retails for. It is all about the blank though, and the WV 80XH is a really nice blank!

For the re-wrap, i went with double "A" thread underwraps in a cream color, with metallic burgundy center bands trimmed in varigated gold/black thread. Followed on top by triple wrapping the guides with "D", then "D" again,  then "A" for the finish wrap in a Burgundy color thread. All over-wraps are trimmed off again with metallic burgundy and gold/black variated. Each layer of thread was epoxy coated before adding another thread layer, then the final layer finished off with a triple coat of epoxy. 

The Buttwrap is an old school "Streamlined Thunderbird" from the 60's. Again done with Burgundy/Cream/Metallic Borders to match the guide wraps.
Sorry for the crappy pics, my camera is half broken, i'll try to get some better ones posted when i can steal my girlfriend's camera. You cant even see the gold/black border highlights on the guides and buttwrap, lame >:(
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Re: Carpenter Wild Violence Makeover
December 10, 2012, 07:04:12 PM
Nice build Nathan,

I love that cork style grip bro, nice and slim and it looks the part too. Thread work is nice and tight too! cream/burgundy is such a great combo! Kudos to you on your build!

I know personally Synit GT rods are triple bound on the stripper, and then double bound... but then they are not factory builds so its apples and pears... Now you have the best of both worlds, great blank and finished to your own standards.

Just had a quick rummage through my paint supply looking for burgundy, a burgundy/cream nemo popper would top off the rod  ;)


Brandon Khoo

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Re: Carpenter Wild Violence Makeover
December 10, 2012, 07:40:44 PM
I think I need to explain a few things here. This post isn't intended to be defensive and is simply intended as an explanation. At the end of the day, Carpenter doesn't need to be defensive when it comes to how its rods perform. The Carpenter rod-building philosophy is very much focussed around simplicity. This should be apparent from how plain the rods look in comparison to other brands. Kenji San is very focussed on his blanks and he wants his rods to perform exactly as his test rods.

As many of you would be aware, large quantities of binding can change how a blank performs. That is why Carpenter rods have the minimal amount of binding required to perform at the levels we expect. The epoxy used by Carpenter is industry leading. While the rods may not have the same level of over-binding that you see on other brands, this is intentional. This binding approach has been proven over a long period of time to be adequate for the rigours involved with GT fishing. When it comes to a comparison with Fisherman, you will not find two GT rods makers as different in philosophy as Carpenter and Fisherman.

None of this is a cost-related issue and Carpenter would be horrified at any such suggestion. if it was felt that more binding would improve performance, I cam assure you that whatever marginal costs was involved would not be an issue whatsoever.
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Re: Carpenter Wild Violence Makeover
December 10, 2012, 08:31:56 PM
Wassup Brandon,
Never intended this to be a shot at Carpenter in any way. Everyone knows they build nice rods. The rod has landed a whole bunch of fish for me before the rewrap and i'm sure it landed a whole bunch of fish for its previous owner. Since i took the rod down to blank, i figured to let people know what i found along the way. I have no bias towards or against any brand of rod, the fish dont care what brand is what.

As i have seen on several of their rods (and other brands), there is cracking on the finish of the guide feet where the thread begins to ramp up onto the foot. As a builder, this is something that i dont like to see in my rods, so in the case of this WV i wanted to correct it.
A single wrap will secure the guide on perfectly fine for fishing purposes. There is no amount of downward force on the blank (transferred through the guides) that will ever pop a double foot guide out of a single wrap. A multiple overwrap just makes a cleaner and longer lasting finished product when it comes to cracking at the "toes".
 
As for the issue of overbinding affecting the performance of the rod, I dont feel that it is applicable to this rewrap. The weight of the combined thread/epoxy used for the wraps is nearly identical to the weight of the original wraps that i removed (guides only). The original wraps had a super thick coat of epoxy over them, applied very well. It was micro-bubble free for all the wraps *something that is very impressive for a factory build. I used the same amount of epoxy, but layered it between multiple thread coats to prevent any cracking. I do strongly feel that if the factory rods did a secondary overwrap of size "A" thread on the guides, that the cracking issue would be better addressed while not adding any realistic performance affecting weight to the rod; maybe + or - a few grams. The exact guide spacing and underwrap footprints were kept as the originals were. My buttwrap absolutely adds weight and stiffens the low end of the rod ;D

Like Brandon and i both said, its all about the blanks. Too bad that we just cant get them as blanks!