Topwater Scombridae: Southern & Northern Bluefin Tuna (BFT), Yellowfin Tuna (YFT), Dogtooth Tuna > Tackle & Techniques
New to topwater fishing, advice on leaders and rigs please.
Mark Richie:
--- Quote from: Troy Ralph on April 13, 2015, 05:18:53 PM ---
5. Any recommendations on lures / poppers to start with?
So far I've acquired a couple Shimano Ocea stickbaits 185 mm / 85 g (got them on special) which I've set up with the Baker rig (Owner SJ-41 and Shout Kudako hooks - I don't go cheap on hooks!)
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Hi Troy,
I really don't think any of the advice given to you will help your cause until you balance out your lure better! Running 3 fairly heavy singles with matching split rings off an 85g lure is going to destroy the action. I know nothing about Ocea sticks but if they're supposed to be a floating lure, I'm under the impression that it no longer floats with that kind of hardware on it? I'm happy to be proven wrong however.
I'd suggest a 4/0 or 5/0 st66 on the belly and 1 sj-41 off the back in 7/0, maybe 9/0 max. The fish your likely to encounter off the rocks in that part of the world don't need massive hooks IMO. I don't find baker rigs necessary until you start targeting truly large species.
Again, I'm happy to be proven wrong!
Rich
Amr Kehila:
--- Quote from: Mark Richie on May 26, 2015, 10:17:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Troy Ralph on April 13, 2015, 05:18:53 PM ---
5. Any recommendations on lures / poppers to start with?
So far I've acquired a couple Shimano Ocea stickbaits 185 mm / 85 g (got them on special) which I've set up with the Baker rig (Owner SJ-41 and Shout Kudako hooks - I don't go cheap on hooks!)
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Hi Troy,
I really don't think any of the advice given to you will help your cause until you balance out your lure better! Running 3 fairly heavy singles with matching split rings off an 85g lure is going to destroy the action. I know nothing about Ocea sticks but if they're supposed to be a floating lure, I'm under the impression that it no longer floats with that kind of hardware on it? I'm happy to be proven wrong however.
I'd suggest a 4/0 or 5/0 st66 on the belly and 1 sj-41 off the back in 7/0, maybe 9/0 max. The fish your likely to encounter off the rocks in that part of the world don't need massive hooks IMO. I don't find baker rigs necessary until you start targeting truly large species.
Again, I'm happy to be proven wrong!
Rich
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I missed that completely! Thanks for helping there!
Troy Ralph:
--- Quote from: Mark Richie on May 26, 2015, 10:17:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: Troy Ralph on April 13, 2015, 05:18:53 PM ---
5. Any recommendations on lures / poppers to start with?
So far I've acquired a couple Shimano Ocea stickbaits 185 mm / 85 g (got them on special) which I've set up with the Baker rig (Owner SJ-41 and Shout Kudako hooks - I don't go cheap on hooks!)
--- End quote ---
Hi Troy,
I really don't think any of the advice given to you will help your cause until you balance out your lure better! Running 3 fairly heavy singles with matching split rings off an 85g lure is going to destroy the action. I know nothing about Ocea sticks but if they're supposed to be a floating lure, I'm under the impression that it no longer floats with that kind of hardware on it? I'm happy to be proven wrong however.
I'd suggest a 4/0 or 5/0 st66 on the belly and 1 sj-41 off the back in 7/0, maybe 9/0 max. The fish your likely to encounter off the rocks in that part of the world don't need massive hooks IMO. I don't find baker rigs necessary until you start targeting truly large species.
Again, I'm happy to be proven wrong!
Rich
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Thanks Rich! I've fixed that up.
Troy Ralph:
--- Quote from: Yoshikazu Devantier on May 25, 2015, 12:20:18 AM ---
Depending on the kg of the fish that are the in the area, I would than choose what PE to go with!
I typically use single leader, PE8 I'll use 170lb and up! Once again depending on lure set up and size of fish! I change to twisted leader if rocks/reef are present. I have only used Sami's(Saltywater tackle) twisted leader system. He had a how to tie on his website. I use Fisherman and Varivas Avani casting shock leader(Maguro)! I use PR knot to start when I'm rigging up before a trip. And go to FG when out fishing and have a line break or need to change the leader fast and get back into the action. I set the length of my leader by having the knot just around the spool and tie on a swivel around the 3rd or 4th guide! So basically my leader is the length of the rod from the spool with a foot or two past the tip! I prefer to cast off the leader and not the line!! Using the swivel at the end of the leader lets you quickly change lure via a split ring!! Tacklehouse and Souls devil one are good lures at a good price!!!
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Thanks Yoshikazu, that's very helpful.
Troy Ralph:
Hey guys,
Just thought I would update you or more importantly inform anyone looking to setup the 185 mm Shimano OCEA stickbaits as they don't come with hooks and I had a little trouble sourcing information from the net.
I ended up going with a single Shout Ringed Kudako 5/0 (could have gone a Decoy JS-1 5/0) on the tail and two Owner SJ-41 7/0 (baker rig) on the belly.
Also purchased some ST-66TN in 4/0 but in my opinion seemed a little too big and heavy, so if anyone is wanting to go with the trebles the ST-66TN in 3/0 are probably best.
Also need to lay reference and thanks to Rich from elite tackle for helping me out.
I'll have some photos up sometime (more so for anyone looking to deck some out and so I can finally contribute to the forum rather than just reading).
Cheers!
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