Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) > Tackle & Techniques
Saragosa 8000 or 10000?
Joshua Fifis:
--- Quote from: Lucas Nixon on December 03, 2015, 01:19:13 PM ---Hey mate,
Ive got a Gossa 10000 with 50 pound tuf line for lighter popping and stick baiting and it hasnt missed a beat.
The 8000 with a 10000 spool would be a solid plan too.
If I had the money I would have stellas on everything but the gossa is solid and gets the job done.
Cheers,
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How do you find the lower gear ratio of the 10000 when working lures? I really hate winding a heap and feeling like you aren't getting anywhere haha!
Max Grimbacher:
--- Quote from: Joshua Fifis on December 04, 2015, 08:25:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lorenz Seebauer on December 03, 2015, 11:43:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mark Richie on December 03, 2015, 09:02:44 AM ---It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.
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But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf
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That's why I asked if the drag numbers are actually real or not. Shimano have a terrible history of putting bogus numbers on their website to make one reel look better than the other. If they have the same drag washer setup, then technically the smaller 8000 spool will give you more drag.
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I agree with you. The part numbers are the same and the max. drag is likely the same if the outside diameter of the 8000/10000 are the same. Just an exaggeration to try and differentiate the products.
Another exaggeration is as David L. points out above. The max. drag on the 10,000 is not 15kg. Most I could get with the drag screwed down on a dead lift on my 10,000 was a 11.5kg set of weights off the ground with the rod butt held about horizontal.
I don't know how it could get to the claimed 15kg?? If someone knows how please let us know.
Otherwise a reasonable reel.
Mark Richie:
--- Quote from: Max Grimbacher on December 05, 2015, 08:21:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Joshua Fifis on December 04, 2015, 08:25:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Lorenz Seebauer on December 03, 2015, 11:43:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mark Richie on December 03, 2015, 09:02:44 AM ---It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.
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But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf
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That's why I asked if the drag numbers are actually real or not. Shimano have a terrible history of putting bogus numbers on their website to make one reel look better than the other. If they have the same drag washer setup, then technically the smaller 8000 spool will give you more drag.
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I agree with you. The part numbers are the same and the max. drag is likely the same if the outside diameter of the 8000/10000 are the same. Just an exaggeration to try and differentiate the products.
Another exaggeration is as David L. points out above. The max. drag on the 10,000 is not 15kg. Most I could get with the drag screwed down on a dead lift on my 10,000 was a 11.5kg set of weights off the ground with the rod butt held about horizontal.
I don't know how it could get to the claimed 15kg?? If someone knows how please let us know.
Otherwise a reasonable reel.
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I believe manufacturers rate them as an empty spool. The more line you put on, the lower the drag number gets.
David Lumanauw:
Maybe it is measured on empty spool or half full spool. If you put only 10 meter of PE line to a spool, you will get much bigger weight number than if you measure it on full spoooled spool.
But we fish with full spool, so such measurement result is not usefull.
Mark Richie:
--- Quote from: David Lumanauw on December 06, 2015, 12:36:40 PM ---Maybe it is measured on empty spool or half full spool. If you put only 10 meter of PE line to a spool, you will get much bigger weight number than if you measure it on full spoooled spool.
But we fish with full spool, so such measurement result is not usefull.
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From a manufacturers point of view, they'll publish whatever gets the highest number. Even if it is completely irrelevant in the real world. I'm pretty sure SOM, JM etc rate their drags with a full spool.
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