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Saragosa 8000 or 10000?

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Joshua Fifis:
I have found that you can get Spheros 8000 from Japan for under $200! (including postage). The normal Spheros model in Aus only has the low gear ratio of 4.9:1 but the Japan model comes in PG (4.9:1) and HG (5.7:1). Put a Saragosa 10000 or aftermarket spool on it and you have a pretty setup for a pretty good price.

David Lumanauw:
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/spsw.html
If you read here, you can get some information about how spheros (or new saragosa sw) parts compared to stella FA or stells SW parts

Joshua Fifis:
Yeah I've read that review. That's why I was interested on getting a Spheros or Saragosa. I wasn't that keen on the Spheros due to the low gear ratio up until I found the Japan model, which has the HP version and is cheaper than here in Aus!

Lucas Nixon:
Hey Josh,

Mate I dont mind it at all. Especially when working lures a bit slower however when a bit of speed is required usually my adreniline is up anyway and I couldnt tell you how many turns of the handle I do.

I am sure there are better options with their respective price tags but the gossa 10000 filled a gap in my arsenal and when I have the $$ I will probably upgrade but for now it is more than doing its job.

I got the 10000 for the extra spool capacity as its first use was for throwing surface lures at small to medium size YFT on a recent trip. I have not pimped the reel out with other spools as has been previously been mentioned the added cost almost justifies upgrading reels anyway.

If it was me mate I would use the following as my priorities for deciding on which reel to grab capability, longevity, capacity and finally feel. If you think line capacity is going to be an issue then grab the 10k if not then grab the 8k.

Happy hunting.

Cheers,

Lucas.

Joshua Fifis:

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--- Quote from: Mark Richie on December 03, 2015, 09:02:44 AM ---It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.

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But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf

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That's why I asked if the drag numbers are actually real or not. Shimano have a terrible history of putting bogus numbers on their website to make one reel look better than the other.  If they have the same drag washer setup, then technically the smaller 8000 spool will give you more drag.

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I agree with you. The part numbers are the same and the max. drag is likely the same if the outside diameter of the 8000/10000 are the same. Just an exaggeration to try and differentiate the products.

Another exaggeration is as David L. points out above. The max. drag on the 10,000 is not 15kg. Most I could get with the drag screwed down on a dead lift on my 10,000 was a 11.5kg set of weights off the ground with the rod butt held about horizontal.
I don't know how it could get to the claimed 15kg?? If someone knows how please let us know.
Otherwise a reasonable reel.

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Technically you should measure you drag with a set of scales, pulling line off the reel at a similar speed to the fish you are targeting. The faster you pull the higher the drag will measure, set in the same spot. The 11.5kg you are dead lifting could very well measure 15kg when pulled with a set of scales.

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