Saragosa 8000 or 10000?

[Joshua Fifis]

I have a little more experience with overhead game reels and I'm pretty sure they are all rated with a full spool. Lucky for me both my game reels are way more than enough drag than I need.

[David Lumanauw]

If you already got stella 8k-14k, just borrow the spool, put it in new saragasa 8k or 10k. The spacer shim may need adjustment.

[Joshua Fifis]

If you already got stella 8k-14k, just borrow the spool, put it in new saragasa 8k or 10k. The spacer shim may need adjustment.

No I don't already have a Stella. I probably wouldn't be asking about a Saragosa if I did. Also as mentioned before, it may not be a good idea to put the drag of a Stella spool onto a Saragosa body.

[Mark Richie]

This has definitely gone off topic so to give my opinion, the best possible option would be a high speed 8k with the 10k spool but then you're starting to creep up to Twinpower pricing. Well not really but I think it's needless spending.

In my opinion the Saragosa ticks all the boxes for a cheaper big fish reel except for the gear ratios. you can look at a 10k biomaster which has a 5.6/1 ratio I believe but they don't seem to be as solidly built and cost around $100 more.

You may in fact be able to just go with the 8k Saragosa reel and spool and put some really nice pe line on it like varivas casting mp or YGK ultra castman in pe3 which rates at 48lb which you'd get well over 200m of line on the 8k spool. The only potential problem you could possibly come across with these thin but strong lines is that they can sometimes struggle with shock loads.

[David Lumanauw]

New saragosa has big gear inside. The main shaft is also as thick as stella 8k. I've use new saragosa 8k with JM16k spool for gt fishing for some time without any problem.

[Joshua Fifis]

I have found that you can get Spheros 8000 from Japan for under $200! (including postage). The normal Spheros model in Aus only has the low gear ratio of 4.9:1 but the Japan model comes in PG (4.9:1) and HG (5.7:1). Put a Saragosa 10000 or aftermarket spool on it and you have a pretty setup for a pretty good price.

[David Lumanauw]

http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/spsw.html
If you read here, you can get some information about how spheros (or new saragosa sw) parts compared to stella FA or stells SW parts

[Joshua Fifis]

Yeah I've read that review. That's why I was interested on getting a Spheros or Saragosa. I wasn't that keen on the Spheros due to the low gear ratio up until I found the Japan model, which has the HP version and is cheaper than here in Aus!

[Lucas Nixon]

Hey Josh,

Mate I dont mind it at all. Especially when working lures a bit slower however when a bit of speed is required usually my adreniline is up anyway and I couldnt tell you how many turns of the handle I do.

I am sure there are better options with their respective price tags but the gossa 10000 filled a gap in my arsenal and when I have the $$ I will probably upgrade but for now it is more than doing its job.

I got the 10000 for the extra spool capacity as its first use was for throwing surface lures at small to medium size YFT on a recent trip. I have not pimped the reel out with other spools as has been previously been mentioned the added cost almost justifies upgrading reels anyway.

If it was me mate I would use the following as my priorities for deciding on which reel to grab capability, longevity, capacity and finally feel. If you think line capacity is going to be an issue then grab the 10k if not then grab the 8k.

Happy hunting.

Cheers,

Lucas.

[Joshua Fifis]

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.

But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf

That's why I asked if the drag numbers are actually real or not. Shimano have a terrible history of putting bogus numbers on their website to make one reel look better than the other.  If they have the same drag washer setup, then technically the smaller 8000 spool will give you more drag.

I agree with you. The part numbers are the same and the max. drag is likely the same if the outside diameter of the 8000/10000 are the same. Just an exaggeration to try and differentiate the products.

Another exaggeration is as David L. points out above. The max. drag on the 10,000 is not 15kg. Most I could get with the drag screwed down on a dead lift on my 10,000 was a 11.5kg set of weights off the ground with the rod butt held about horizontal.
I don't know how it could get to the claimed 15kg?? If someone knows how please let us know.
Otherwise a reasonable reel.

Technically you should measure you drag with a set of scales, pulling line off the reel at a similar speed to the fish you are targeting. The faster you pull the higher the drag will measure, set in the same spot. The 11.5kg you are dead lifting could very well measure 15kg when pulled with a set of scales.

[Joshua Fifis]

I bought an 8000 yesterday, so I will be able to do some tests of my own once I get it spooled up.