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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Mark Harris on January 27, 2013, 05:38:32 PM
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Guys, I recently had a very odd problem and would like to know if anyone else has experienced this, or whether it was just a freaky one-off.
Hooked up a to a very nice GT. Was fishing 11 kgs of drag, with PE8 on a SW18000. Line peeled off very easily for about 5-6 seconds then suddenly came to jolting stop with the fish still pulling VERY hard. My immediate thought was the drag stack had failed somehow, maybe with a washer exploding. The fish was pulling very hard and I was just about hanging on, and then the line pinged. Was left in a bit of state of shock after that and I was sure the Stella drag had failed and locked up somehow.
However examination soon explained what had happened. The line had impacted into a tiny gap between the top of the spooled braid and the spool rim. I will say right away that I am close to obsessive about spooling my braid very tightly indeed, so this was not a case of impacted line due to soft spooling. The spooled line was rock hard. There was a tiny, only just visible gap between the top of the very tight spooled braid and the spool rim, and the line had impacted into there about 4 mm. It was in so tight it was impossible to pull it out manually until I got home.
I have never had this problem before and I hope it never happens again. It seems that somehow the line lay had left this tiny gap. I should also say that there was no problem with the winding shape of the spool - very even with no coning at all.
Anyone ever heard of anything like this happening before or have an explanation? I will re-spool very carefully but I am nervous about it happening again.
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Hi Mark ,
Did you spool the line manually or or the spool was filled by detaching it from the reel n put in a machine ? When filling the line manually , the line lay will have " criscross " pattern while when using machine may tend line " burying " , hence what you experienced .
Mind you , I have seen line burying when one not keeping constant line tension during manual line filling process due to fatigue by the winder at the time .
Other than that , it may be just one of freak things that happen despite our best efforts .
Jon .
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Hi Jon
Thanks so much for your input.
It was spooled manually using a simple line winder device for tension. This style of device:
(http://cdn.instructables.com/FSR/KG80/GFMC8AB5/FSRKG80GFMC8AB5.LARGE.jpg)
I never use spooling machines and I do try to be aware of the need to maintain consistent tension when spooling up, even when it becomes arm-breakingly hard.
My feeling is that it was probably just one of those unfortunate things that happen. It is preying on my mind though!
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Nice spooling device mark. did you make it yourself or can it be bought? thanks
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I have seen that miniscule little gap you refer to when spooling but I take pains to fill it by manually winding by hand to fill the gaps. It only a couple of winds to fill them.
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Nice spooling device mark. did you make it yourself or can it be bought? thanks
there is a different device that can be brought ... here is the link ...
http://www.nomadtackle.ashop.com.au/p/978429/custom-spool-line-winder.html
i do own this device ... awsome tool ... ;)
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Brandon, I am pleased to hear that somebody else has seen this problem and indeed, has the solution. I will pay special attention when re-spooling in future and manually fill any gap that appears, no matter how small. I guess my experience is yet another example of how the tiniest issues can spell disaster in our extreme form of fishing.
Adrian, on the device, that's just a picture I found quickly with a Google search to answer Jon's question. Mine is a little bit different but exactly the same principle. Line winders are quite easily available as Mick pointed out.
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The line winder Mick has posted is great but it warps after a while if you use it with heavy braid. I am on my fourth one!
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Hi guys,
Sounds like a very unlucky thing to have happened Mark, and lucky you had a good hold of the rod,could of been very costly ;D.I tend to spool my reels manually aswell but have never had this happen,one in a million I reckon.I have made a similar contraption to yours which is a length of all thread welded to a solid steel bench with a series of large flat washers used as spacers,does the trick nicely.
A possible way to over come this in the future may to be watchful during the spooling process and makesure no tiny little valleys open up during the spooling process.Got a trip to Exmouth coming up in late April and can't wait. Also a trip to Bali in November and may be keen to find out more about them big Bali GTs.
regards Adam
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I tell you Adam, for the first time ever, that situation allowed me to know what a good sized GT feels like on truly locked up gear - I mean really locked not just the drag button tightened as far as it will go. It was only a few seconds but it was incredibly tough just holding on. Something had to give and it was the 100 lb braid. The only positive I could take was that my knots held!
When are you up here in November? If I am around, be good to catch up.
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Hi Mark,
Looking at very early November for about a week or so,my wife knows I may go missing in action for several days if a fishing trip is in the planning,haha.Be great to tee up a trip for sure and catchup too,once the dates are set mate I will let you know,cheers
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I have had this happen also Mark. It was on a cast with PE8 , and I lost a favorite Bigfoot 170.
It was the first cast after landing a GT with around the same drag as you mentioned. I'll admit that I put a little extra oomph into the cast.
As with you, I couldn't get the line out of the gap and had to cut more line off when I got home as the end was buried around 4mm down the spool edge.
My spooling device is now a Tiagra 30 :o
I wind the spool of braid fairly tightly onto the Tiagra and attach it to a longish rod. Set the lever drag to the desired resistance and I invite a friend to hold the rod at an angle where I can see the pressure I am applying when winding by the bend in the Tiagra rod.
If I see a gap in the Stella spool anywhere, I get the Tiagra friend to wind some line back onto it and then I go again...
Hope this makes sense...
Cheers
Ken
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Ken, thanks for that and sorry to hear that you had the same issue. I like the Tiagra winding device solution :) .
So that's three instances/observations of the same problem.
I have actually now stripped all my Stella and compatible spools, and will be very carefully re-spooling them bearing in mind Brandon's and Ken's advice.
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Thanks, and thanks for the link too
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Hi Mark
Thanks for the warning.
Is it possible to post a pic of the issue ?
Cheers
Craig
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Hi Craig, unfortunately I did not take any pictures but it should not be too hard to imagine a tiny space between the top of the spooled braid and the spool rim.
I might add that I have now re-spooled 3 spools and one of them (a 16000) definitely showed this problem and I manually wound line to fill the gap just as Brandon suggested.
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Hey Adam,I would be very interested in hearing how you get on in Exmouth as the West coast is on my bucket list.
I found this gap gets bigger with the more tension you put on.Brandons solution is the way to go.My winder wears a skirt so it easier to make small adjustments,you just yell !!More,too much,less,Geez.