GTPopping.com - Giant Trevally, GTPopping, Topwater & GT Fly-Fishing Resource
Extreme Jigging: Dogtooth Tuna, Yellowtail Kingfish (Hiramasa), Amberjack, Samson Fish => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Brandon Khoo on March 15, 2007, 05:29:21 PM
-
Favourite jigs! All right, I admit it. I am a sucker for really nice looking jigs and there is no doubt that the lures may be more sucessful at catching me than at catching fish. That said, I was wondering whether people have favourite jigs like me! I am a real fan of the Smith Nagamasa in bright colours as I prefer sliders. I also like the Fisherman Crazy Long even if I do think the craziest thing about them is the price.
The Smiths are readily available in OZ whereas the Fisherman are not.
-
As you say, favourite jigs to collect or favourite jigs to fish with, a subject close to my heart as a tackleholic and lureaddict, but for now I musstt goo toooo slleeepp z z z z z z z z .
-
Favourite jigs! All right, I admit it. I am a sucker for really nice looking jigs and there is no doubt that the lures may be more sucessful at catching me than at catching fish. That said, I was wondering whether people have favourite jigs like me! I am a real fan of the Smith Nagamasa in bright colours as I prefer sliders. I also like the Fisherman Crazy Long even if I do think the craziest thing about them is the price.
The Smiths are readily available in OZ whereas the Fisherman are not.
I think most Smith jigs are great...they can really produce fish when the going gets tough.
I also really like Seven Seas Hooker jig...have you used those Brandon?
Started using Jig Ace jigs lately....nice action and easy to work but the lumo finish on some starts to degenerate very quickly. Something that i am lead to understand is currently being sent as feedback to the manufacturer from many jiggers.
-
One thing to remember about different shaped jigs is that they don't swim with the same action.
On any given day or at different spots one jig in your bag may be the one the fish want!!
Adjusting your jigging styles to different jigs will also get better results. Can't emphasize enough that what we do is NOT high speed jigging, despite what appears in most uninformed articles in the local fishing media. The best jiggers I know jig with a variety of actions that are mostly slow and deliberate, getting the best from there jig.
You wouldn't expect a dump bin cheapie plastic lure to be as good as a quality jap lure like Yo Zuri or Megabass so don't expect rave results from all the dump bin jigs out there.
Neil
-
neil is right what we do jigging is like anyother form of lure fishing if the fish arent reacting to the presentaion of the lure then we change the way we present it until they do and if they dont react then we know its the lure and we change the lure to many times i've seen on charters pepole jigging away hard and fast like there beating a drum and wondering why they arent catching a thing if something dosent work change your approach is my best addvice
-
Favourite long jig - Jigging Master Rocket 500g
Favourite centre balanced jig - Jigging Master Ocean God 380g
Yes, I declare a bias but I import what I want to use rather than the other way around, my fishing time is too precious...........
-
NO, Luke, I've never used the hooker jig from Fisherman. In fact, I've never even seen one! My only experience is with the Crazy Long and the Andaman. I don't know why they call it the Crazy Long - it's no longer than any other jig out there. If anything is crazy long, its the 400g Smith Nagamasa. Crazy both in length and the fishermen who use a 400g jig.I reckon it is just plain bloody masochistic using any jig bigger than 300g.
I just reckon these guys who get out there and belt it up at 100mph are insane!! Try doing that for 1/2 hour, let along a whole day. That's why I like sliders which I start to slide very slowly after about 15 minutes......
It's so hard trying to get these jigs and when I do, the price is normally a bit silly. In Singapore where most things tend to be reasonably priced, Crazy Longs are something like $50- a jig. Mind you, that's cheap compared to those Sanmes jigs.
At that price, that's why I tend to stick to Smiths.
-
NO, Luke, I've never used the hooker jig from Fisherman. In fact, I've never even seen one! My only experience is with the Crazy Long and the Andaman. I don't know why they call it the Crazy Long - it's no longer than any other jig out there. If anything is crazy long, its the 400g Smith Nagamasa. Crazy both in length and the fishermen who use a 400g jig.I reckon it is just plain bloody masochistic using any jig bigger than 300g.
I just reckon these guys who get out there and belt it up at 100mph are insane!! Try doing that for 1/2 hour, let along a whole day. That's why I like sliders which I start to slide very slowly after about 15 minutes......
It's so hard trying to get these jigs and when I do, the price is normally a bit silly. In Singapore where most things tend to be reasonably priced, Crazy Longs are something like $50- a jig. Mind you, that's cheap compared to those Sanmes jigs.
At that price, that's why I tend to stick to Smiths.
Sorry Brandon, i meant Seven Seas Hooker jig :-[
-
No wonder. I thought there was another Fisherman jig I should start looking for.
Seven Seas jigs are too damn hard to get Luke. Even getting in touch direct with Matsutani doesn't seem to help and he's the bloody owner! Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to get hold of some of these other beautiful Japanese jigs but they are so hard to get.
I also don't fancy carting them back from overseas because they are so heavy and I've found there is no point falling in love with your jigs because they are very short term affairs. Unlike poppers which have a chance fo survival over a reasonable term, you will lose the jig - and quickly. Jigs never last.
-
My current favorite jig is the Skill-L made by Mg-craft...don't see these in the Japanese videos so often unlike hookers and crazy longs but they are pretty effective for a variety of species.
-
My current favorite jig is the Skill-L made by Mg-craft...don't see these in the Japanese videos so often unlike hookers and crazy longs but they are pretty effective for a variety of species.
Hi Mark, thanks for all your contributions to the forum lately.
Do you have a picture of this jig? Would be interested to see it.
What jig did you catch your massive Dogtooth on?
Cheers,
Luke
-
Hi Luke,
Here are 2 pics of some Skill-Longs and a regular Skill. 860g, 520g, 380g & 350g. Yes, the doggie was landed on a Skill-L 380g.
cheers
-
Hey guys just joined in recently,
Just getting started and I am heading to 1770 and would be interested in any advice as to a few jigs to try.
Been up there before and mainly bottom bashed both live and deadbaits in 40m plus water targeting cod, topwater for spanish mackeral.
Of a night time get smahed with GT's so thought I would give poppong a go and am interested in recommended poppers to take.
-
Paul - if you're fishing in 40m of water or around that kind of depth, my suggestion would be to look at jigging with some of the big Spanyids or Raiders or even the Bumpa Bars instead of the hgh speed jigs we're discussing here. The reason for this is that I find (personally) that i like a bit or depth to work a high speed jig because they come up quick and in 40m, that's not much depth to work a hgh speed jig. It may also be worth getting a couple of sliders like the Smith Nagamasas as you can work these more slowly. Depending on the current, some big plastics may work well too.
Mackeral will hit anything that moves and can be a menace by stealing your jigs. if you find that you get cleanly snipped off, you'll know they are around. A bit of wire will take care of that but the problem is that you may find some other species will be put off by the wire.
For poppers, that depends on the size of the GTs you're after. If you're thinking of using them at night, I'd think that you'd want something that makes a fair bit of commotion. Chuggers would probably be best. I have no experience of fishing poppers for GTs at night myself. Some of our members from WA lke Hon-Su and Che may be able to give you some useful advice.
-
Brandon,
Thanks I will check those out. I have also been making wind on leaders for jigging using 6 metres of 100lb Moimoi, 37kg Dacron, Owner 7.5m (450lb) solid ring crimped with a plastic collar to support the solid ring, I have also placed a small lumonous bead up against the aluminium crimp to A. Protect the guide and B. Spot at night.
Can you see any problems with these?
Thanks Paul
-
Paul, I can't read any problem into what you're doing but of course, the main area you need to be really careful with is the mono/dacron joint. The other area which can be a problem but you seem to have covered that is with the Owner solid ring. they make them so their edges are almost sharp! It's bloody crazy to me why they do that but you're using a sleeve to protect the mono so that should not be a problem.
I personally can't be bothered to make wind-on leaders for jigging as I am just as happy to use a simple mono leader joined directly to the braid, usually with a albright.
-
Hi Paul i to make my own wind on leaders,are you putting your mono through the doubbled dacron and wraping the dacron twice ,first on the inside piece of dacron and then again on the outside?The little plastic collar is a must when using the owner solid rings theses rings will cut through 150lb with ease without them.Good luck hope you get a few.
-
Where the Owner slim profile solid ring comes in to its own is its ease to slip onto a split ring. JonesTackle have the Ten Mouth #6 440lb and #7 730lb round rings, but using a line guard or thimble will do the job.
Other jiggers on my boat use wind-on's as they are always at hand from game fishing and have never had a problem, although I'm like Brandon and use an albright. ;D
-
Brandon, Thanks
Cam, I have been sliding the leader as far up the double dacron as possible, pulling the external sleeve of dacron so that it pulls over the inner sleev by about an inch and then whipping the external only. Are you suggesting that I should first whipt the inner sleeve prior to pulling the external over and then whipping it. I have tested the leader by fixing the dacron loop and then placing a couple of wraps and pulling my weight agianst it to ensure there is no give prior to whipping. I would appreciate your advice.
Regards Paul
-
Hi Paul yer i whip the inner first then pull the outer dacron over and whip that aswell but im sure just whipping the outer would be fine as long as the inner is pulled tight.What glue have you got? ive only tried one type its called UV KNOT SENSE seems to be really good, give a real glossy finish although it does need UV to go off and not having a UV light or torch i can only make them on sunny days. cheers CAM
-
A dab of glue will do on the inside.
-
yer forshore a wee dab of glue like superglue a Bun
-
Favourite jigs would be:
1)Williamson 300gm benthos lumo although they bend very easily it would be number one jig for me.
2)next would be a similar zest "slider"(i think) in lumo/orange colours also 300gm
3) Kilwell broken arrow 500gm
There is not a huge range here. any websites I could check for other jigs and also poppers? somewhere not too far from nz please as postage cost is horrible for jigs
-
Cam,
Loctite 480 or Zap a Gap, have to be kept in the fridge otherwise it goes off.
Regards Paul
-
hey guys,
i find it a little bit weird that no one mentioned Saltiga Sacrifice Jigs.
My pet jig has to be pink silver in 250g to 300g.
where is the best store in sydney to check out a variety of jigs?
I am a little intimidated on here as i havent been exposed to serious jigging knowledge.
Tony
-
Yip have a couple of sacrifice jigs a wicked gold one with mean teeth marks all over it ,the bling on them seems to attract alot of kuta over here in NZ,
-
Hi All,
Brendon, there is a YGK product called Zairon. I have used the product on SM and other critters with teeth and it won't effect your jigging for the other spicies. Only problem it will last about 3-4 SM and then you will need to change it.
Chris
-
Chris - you mean zylon?
Do you have to replace it because of wear or what?
-
Hi Brendon
Yes I meant Zylon, you have to replace it due to wear. But at least you won't get bitten off first up.
-
From what i have read Zylon has a lot more heat tolerance than normal braid but doesn't last long.Not to mention its very pricey but a lot tougher.Could this Zylon stuff be the future i dont no.
-
it's expensive - literally double ther price of the normal assist cord
-
Hi Guy's, :)
Been jigging for 18 years now. 6 years with the re-birth of jigging in Australia with the japanese style/presentations and updated tackle around nowadays.
Oh my god, I'm not sure how I can still be married ??? with all the $ I've spent over the years on top notch jigs.
Many favourites of mine are;
Fisherman Crazy, Smith Nagamasa's and Jacknifes, Sacrifice Sticks, MC Works Killer Jigs too many to mention.
But you what nothing wrong with the R2S Knife Jigs too. On the day out send down what the fish are wanting and hitting.
It is most times adjusting your style of jigging/presentation to suit and not necessarily changing your jigs every 5 minutes.
Tight Lines ! ;)
Regards
Leo
-
Wow , great info guys .
Being a beginner it's quite scary going into a tackle store without any knowledge on jigs , but with all this great info i now know what jigs to look for .
Being in Melbourne there isn't too many stores that specialize in popping / jigging gear so i'm limited in choices, could you guys reccomend some online stores to try for poppers / jigs.
cheers
-
Wow , great info guys .
Being a beginner it's quite scary going into a tackle store without any knowledge on jigs , but with all this great info i now know what jigs to look for .
Being in Melbourne there isn't too many stores that specialize in popping / jigging gear so i'm limited in choices, could you guys reccomend some online stores to try for poppers / jigs.
cheers
Check Jones's mate: http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php/topic,73
-
Thanks mate , stuck home with a torn calf so have plenty of time to do some internet shopping ;D . Will try Jones's
-
Tim, with jigs (actually, with any lure), it makes a world of difference understanding the way the jig is meant to be worked. Some jisg are meant to be worked slowly (like the incredibly expensive Sanmes) while others are meant to be ripped as fast as you can (like the Sevenseas jigs). Sliders are meant to be woriked with a long pitch and then permitted to "slide" befor the next long pitch.
Some of the guys here will be able to give you much more information that I can. I don't even know how to jig properly!
-
Thanks Brandon.
After reading all three pages i have come to the understanding that jigging is quite technical and not just drop jig down , pump rod , wind fast as i was led to believe.
All the guys on the forum have been great with the theories behind there techniques.
Luckily i have just met a mad fisho from down here in Melbourne ( of all places at a job training course ) who loves his jigging and popping and has been to quite a few places around Australia .So between the guys on the forum and my new friend ;D all should be fine.
-
Favourite would have to be jigging master aliens.
-
FCL Labo SL jigs, the new FCL Labo SLZ jigs, CB One Quick Zero 1, and CB One Zero 1 Semi Long
-
Shout Stay
-
hooker1 - 180g deadly on yellowfin/dogtooth ,
hooker1 - 100g
anatahan - 250g
speedhooker -180g/250g
drifttune - 180g/300g
andermans - 350g
sanme - the whole range from 180g-360g ;D