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Extreme Jigging: Dogtooth Tuna, Yellowtail Kingfish (Hiramasa), Amberjack, Samson Fish => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Andy Rowe on January 24, 2009, 05:37:38 PM
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Looking for a jigging rod to match an 08 SW 8000 PG, I'm putting a 10K spool on so will have 300 m of PE5 (78lb) spooled. Budget <USD500.
The object to fish PE5 to the max on tropical reef dwellers so seeking a rod that will compliment this approach but importantly not be too heavy as to unbalance the lighter reel.
It will be light in weight to use for extended periods with max. 300gm jigs but serious enough to attempt to subdue bigger fish.
I have looked at several options but have minimal jigging experience so am seeking the advice of those who know the game.
Many Thanks in advance.
Andy
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Andy ,
Want to try Carpenter OH56MHS , can get somebody's rod for you to try if you are interested .
Jon .
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Hi Jon,
Thanks very much for the offer, I was considering picking up one of these as you know but I have a PE6-8 heavy set-up already and was looking at something the next level down from the power of this rod.
Cheers
PS still debating with myself on casting rod...haaa
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Hi Andy ,
The reel you mentioned suggested a good match with OH56MHS but next up which is OH55XHS will be more suited for Stella 20000PG/FA .
Jon .
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Jon,
I may be wrong, but I'm just thinking this rod may be a little bit of overkill as the jig weight rating is 250-700gm.
With my popping gear along I may have weight issues.
Andy
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Hi Andy,
I am in the same situation as yours.
I recently bought Stella 8000 and now looking for a rod to match it up.
I have narrowed down my choices to 2 rods though...Smith AMJ54H or RippleFisher 568.
I just can't decide which one between both.... :-\
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Have you looked into the Jigging Master range?
regards David
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I recently got a Zenaq FS53-8 (PE 4-5, max 300g jigs)), which I'm pretty happy with, it's a very sweet little rod.... and they're pretty well priced too. The Stella 8k would suit it nicely.
If you wanted to go slightly beefier, then maybe the Zenaq FS53-12 (PE 5-6, max 400g jigs).
Good luck with what ever you get.
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Thanks for the feedback men...
All these offerings have their favorable points, some questions remain due to my lack of jigging experience.
I like the look of the Zenaq FS53-12 PE5-6, 400gm jig max and it states the jig comfort will be 180-300gm which is right in the box I'm looking at.
Ripple fisher 568, can't open the website for days!!! anybody got some specs on their jig rods, nomad has comment but I want more info.
AMJ-54H I'm worried this rod may be too light with max jig at 280gm!! the 52EX with 400gm max may be suitable but with a line rating 4-8 will it be too heavy and unbalanced??
Jig Master 350g 5'0S PE3-7 jig 250-400gm jigs looks good, but again balance issues with the reel??? perhaps the 300g PE3-6 offering??
Narrowing the field a little for a stick that will be strong but not be too heavy to unbalance the 8K stella with 10K spool...
One of the main points for me is to have a light in weight but strong jig set-up that I can carry along with my popping gear to keep weight issues down with air travel.
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Jon,
I may be wrong, but I'm just thinking this rod may be a little bit of overkill as the jig weight rating is 250-700gm.
With my popping gear along I may have weight issues.
Andy
Hi Andy ,
If you are going to jig around where you work , I have heard even OH56MH-S is a little too light because in Bali around Badung Strait , they use jig with minimum 500 gr. in weight and often must go beyond that when the current is running , many opted OH55XH-S in Bali .
It's not so much the weight of the jig that the rod must withstand but the current too , there was an occasion where an OH56MH-S used with 400 gr. jig was " saturated " due to strong current .
Jon .
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My favourite match for the Stella 8000 is HOts' Weiworld 52XH.
Specs: length 5ft 2" , Max PE 8 , Max Jig 420g
This rod is ultra light, thus though the rating is up to PE8, I find it handles PE 5/6 lines best.
Here's the link :
http://www.hots.co.jp/j/products/rod/weiworld.html (http://www.hots.co.jp/j/products/rod/weiworld.html)
Just another option.
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Carpenter jig rods are different in principle than jigging rods such as Hot's WeiWorld , we had a discussion with Mark Richards on this subject awhile ago at Pelabuhan Ratu , remember AhGu ?
Jon .
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Just a suggestion...
I know you made mention of the SMith ANJ52EX as possibly being too heavy....
But I got 4 of these in yesterday, and these rods are ridiculously light, and matched to an 8000FA, feel pretty damn good.... and matched to a 20000FA.... But as a "lighter" set up, with an 8K its awesome, weighs next to nothing, could jig comfortably between 250 and 400gram jigs.... and can handle some serious drag if you need it....
Gotta say I absolutely fell in love with these rods..... I'll be alternating between the 20K and 8K on mine, just because its such a peach of a rod to fish.... and so light...
You mentioned wanting to fish PE 5, so could look atfishing 12 kilos of drag at maxI would say to turn ome reef nasties from their lairs.... the SMJ52EX will handle that, and at a push when needed, handle 450 gram jigs too...
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Just a suggestion...
I know you made mention of the SMith ANJ52EX as possibly being too heavy....
But I got 4 of these in yesterday, and these rods are ridiculously light, and matched to an 8000FA, feel pretty damn good.... and matched to a 20000FA.... But as a "lighter" set up, with an 8K its awesome, weighs next to nothing, could jig comfortably between 250 and 400gram jigs.... and can handle some serious drag if you need it....
Gotta say I absolutely fell in love with these rods..... I'll be alternating between the 20K and 8K on mine, just because its such a peach of a rod to fish.... and so light...
You mentioned wanting to fish PE 5, so could look atfishing 12 kilos of drag at maxI would say to turn ome reef nasties from their lairs.... the SMJ52EX will handle that, and at a push when needed, handle 450 gram jigs too...
Hi Neps,
I have been looking hard at that 52EX for sure and it is good to hear your comments on it's suitability with a lighter reel. Still undecided, popping is my first love and unfortunately I just blew the stash on the last sale priced Long Reef 88, I had to have it at that price ;D.
once I decide I'll post, so many nice products to choose from.
Cheers
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For interests sake, here's a mate jigging with Smith AMJ-54H off WA.
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9945/imgp1038editedfg8.jpg)
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Nice picture Jay, is he connected to one of the seriola's off Rotnest?
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i would defernetley check out the hotts wei world if you where willing to go the extra$$$
I have personley never fished them (ive got a jigwrex which is good value for the price)but when you pick one up they feel so light and you would never think you could fish 80lb----untill you load it up
cheers
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Hi Andy,
My wife Marg fishes a Wei World 52XH, I fish a Smiths AMJ S52EX, both matched with Stella 20000FA loaded with PE8 (Tufline XP 80 test).
Both rods will comfortably handle jigs of 200-400gms and there is probably room for more at the top end. The Wei World is lighter than the Smiths (which is light itself) but it has plenty of fighting power - Marg hauled in an 80 pound shark on hers and had a 15 minute fight with what we assume was a big Dogtooth (hook pulled free). She had the rod bent into the butt for long periods in both these fights - and the rod took it.
I don't see why there should be any problem using smaller, lighter reels with either of these rods, 'cause the rods themselves are so light anyway.
Cheers
Colin
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I love my Smiths .................... but I am jealous of Marg's Wei World!
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I just love what these Smiths can handles... both in overhead and Spinning....and their load shape..
(http://i44.tinypic.com/f2oeo.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2hqaqdf.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2lm17w4.jpg)
I think I may have to keep one of my 4 instead of selling them on....
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I just love what these Smiths can handles... both in overhead and Spinning....and their load shape..
I think I may have to keep one of my 4 instead of selling them on....
Hey Andre,
If you haven't already got one, I strongly advise you to keep one for yourself. ;)
However, you will fall in love all over again if you ever get your hands on a Wei World. Both Dave and I have Smiths - and we still both covet Marg's Wei World. :'(
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Nice picture Jay, is he connected to one of the seriola's off Rotnest?
Nah mate this was in tropical waters off the north-west coast. Unfortunately we didn't see the culprit as he was reefed :o
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Excellent photo's and comments thanks for posting.
I'm quite amazed by these super light but powerful rods that make 1 rod versatile rod for a broad range of PE applications.
Does anybody have any comments about the Wei World 48XXH as a rod that will be suitable for the 10K and 20K stellas from PE5 to 8?
Thanks
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Andy
I've not fished the Wei World, but I have done a bunch of research on it as I was after one for a long time.... to me they areone of the sexiest looking rods I've seen.. I think its the combination of the split rear grip and the rods lightness....
I think these rods will handle the 10K and 20K and PE 5 - 8 with no problem whatsoever... its what they are designed for I believe.... And despite these rods lightness, they are built to handle incredible pressure....
Check out John Flores here pushing his on a 100lb plus AJ off North Carolina.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/16bbj2c.jpg)
I think the beauty of these rods is that one can fish an 8000 comfortably and right up to the 20 000 too..... and handle anything from 5 to 8 PE.... much like the Smiths...
I still can't getover how light they can make these rods and how tough and strong they are....
I still see a Wei World 48XXH in my future at some point...
Cause if it can handle fish like these, I'm pretty sure it can handle anything I'm gonna encounter.... ;) ;D
(http://i41.tinypic.com/erkdhe.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/242z79k.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/sg69n5.jpg)
Taken by HOT's Field Tester Chris Wei Teng
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Excellent photo's and comments thanks for posting.
I'm quite amazed by these super light but powerful rods that make 1 rod versatile rod for a broad range of PE applications.
Does anybody have any comments about the Wei World 48XXH as a rod that will be suitable for the 10K and 20K stellas from PE5 to 8?
Thanks
Andy,
The two Wei World - 52XH & 48XXH - are both rated to handle lines up to PE8 and both will fish nicely with 10000 or 20000 Stellas. Aside from length (5' 2" and 4' 8") the only difference in spec between the two rods is that the 52XH spec suggests jigs up to 420gms and the 48XXH spec suggests jigs up to 500gms. Anglers on other forums who have used both rods seem to suggest that they are similar in butt end power - so it maybe comes down to the length of rod you are most comfortable using.
You may find the posts in this link interesting -
www.360tuna.com/forum/f37/wtb-hots-wei-48xxh-jigging-rod-4185 (http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f37/wtb-hots-wei-48xxh-jigging-rod-4185)
Cheers
Colin
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Thanks again for your input Andre.
Your right that rod does look so cool, and it 'walks the walk' too.
Yep I'm starting to visualize my reels slung under one as well 8).
Another member commented to me that these rods were built to be fished all day in difficult slow-bite conditions, but the lightness of the rod does not appear to be affecting the power.
For a novice jigger (me), who wants to do a bit of jigging to break up popping sessions this rod is moving to the front of the pack, because of it's user friendliness and versatility.
Cheers
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Colin - Andre, almost sold here...leaning towards the 4'8" due to strong currents locally.....hmmmmm how do I hide this purchase from the boss :D
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Colin - Andre, almost sold here...leaning towards the 4'8" due to strong currents locally.....hmmmmm how do I hide this purchase from the boss :D
Well if you go for the 48XXH you have 6" less to hide!! ;)
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Colin - Andre, almost sold here...leaning towards the 4'8" due to strong currents locally.....hmmmmm how do I hide this purchase from the boss :D
Well if you go for the 48XXH you have 6" less to hide!! ;)
;D hahaha ;D
That does not leave us much to play with ;)
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Hey mate, I have both a Wei World 52XH and a Smith AMJ 56M (Spin)
I have used both with my Stella 8000FA and 20000FA. The 20000 goes very comfortably on both rods. For me the 8000 goes better on the Smith, even though the Wei World is lighter, but it goes pretty sweet on both.
I think it would be hard to fault either of these rods for your chosen application, they are great to use. If you are only going to use PE5-6 the Smith will do the job for sure. If you are regularly going to use 300gm jigs though I would probably go the Hots as 300gm is definately the limit for that Smith rod, it can work them but the Hots will feel more comfortable working that weight a lot. The Smith is gun at 200-280gm jigs.
Some mates have the 52EX and whilst it is a sweet rod I would take my Wei World over it every time, so if you are choosing between those models that is my recommendation
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Hi Scott,
Thanks very much for the input, appreciate your comments, the hot's looks to be very versatile. Is the Hots ok with lighter jigs in the 200-300gm range as well?
Just have to sell some gear and then decide whether it will be the 48 or the 52.
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Absolutely the Hots will work jigs down to 180 gms fine in my opinion....probably 230 to 350 is ideal
Unless you are going to use 400gm jigs regularly I would stick with the 52XH, the shorter rod really only makes a difference fighting HUGE fish or working heavier jigs