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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Ben Rivers on May 12, 2011, 12:16:12 PM
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Hi Guys,
What combo do you use for your GT Fishing?
Rod: Smith Komodo Dragon
Reel: Shimano Stella SW 18000
Line: Jerry Brown - 130lb Hollow
Thanks Ben.
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I really want to see Brandons answer ..... ;D
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I really want to see Brandons answer ..... ;D
Oh come on Ken..................you know it depends on the rest of his wardrobe! ::)
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;D 1 popping set per 1 dress outfit? ;D
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how the hell did I get dragged into this?
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:) just like other sportsman, fans like to know what roger federer or nadal rackets, what tiger woods drivers and putter.... :)
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I really want to see Brandons answer ..... ;D
Brandon would need two excel speadsheets as attachments to answer this question... ;D ;D
Pete
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I really want to see Brandons answer ..... ;D
Brandon would need two excel speadsheets as attachments to answer this question... ;D ;D
Pete
;D
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Rod: Carpenter TBL 80-20
Reel: Shimano Stella 5000 JDM
line: Sufic 832
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Rod: Carpenter BLC83/40
Reel: Shimano Stella 10000XG with SOM Spool
line: Varivas GT Max PE5
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Rods: Carpenter sp80m and Smith KD.
Reels: Stella 18000 sw and 10000 fa with 20000 spool.
Line: Varivas gt max pe 8 and Ygk pe 10.
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KD, Tokara 60, WV80, Kaibutsu Long Cast
Stellas from 10000 FA to SW 20K
They all do the job
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I really want to see Brandons answer ..... ;D
Oh come on Ken..................you know it depends on the rest of his wardrobe! ::)
Oh, if that's the case I want to see what matches one of Brandon's special custom Fisherman Giant 82!!! (If that's the beauty that I remember).
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Kasey, you are pretty close it is Giant 86 which Brandon is proud of his colour scheme ;D
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RODS:RIPPLE FISHER GT79,LC82 AND A VAN STAAL GT
REELS:SHIMANO STELLA 20000SW,18000SW AND 10000SW
LINE TUF LINE XP 65LB,80LB AND YGK CASTMAN PE8
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oi - what are you talking about?! That was your colour scheme!!! >:(
Kasey, you are pretty close it is Giant 86 which Brandon is proud of his colour scheme ;D
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oi - what are you talking about?! That was your colour scheme!!! >:(
Kasey, you are pretty close it is Giant 86 which Brandon is proud of his colour scheme ;D
We got this rod in used condition and it has most amazing colour scheme we have seen on custom rod.....
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oi - what are you talking about?! That was your colour scheme!!! >:(
Kasey, you are pretty close it is Giant 86 which Brandon is proud of his colour scheme ;D
We got this rod in used condition and it has most amazing colour scheme we have seen on custom rod.....
any sexy pictures of it? ::)
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oi - what are you talking about?! That was your colour scheme!!! >:(
Kasey, you are pretty close it is Giant 86 which Brandon is proud of his colour scheme ;D
We got this rod in used condition and it has most amazing colour scheme we have seen on custom rod.....
any sexy pictures of it? ::)
Can we get whoever owns it to dress to match please?
One of these guys also has an Xzoga combo... don't be shy ;D
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NO, if you want to see it, you have to commit to buying it first!!! ;D
oi - what are you talking about?! That was your colour scheme!!! >:(
Kasey, you are pretty close it is Giant 86 which Brandon is proud of his colour scheme ;D
We got this rod in used condition and it has most amazing colour scheme we have seen on custom rod.....
any sexy pictures of it? ::)
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NO, if you want to see it, you have to commit to buying it first!!! ;D
I agree with Brandon ;D ;D
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For the rocks:
ROD - Zenaq Defi Muthos HHH gt
REEL - Stella 10k XG with SOM spool
LINE - Varivas
For the boat:
ROD - Carpenter SP H & UHL, Fisherman BG Jack, Ripple GT79H & 79R
REEL - Stella 18k SW and JDM Stella 10k HG
LINE - Varivas
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Wow Vinh, you've got both the UHL and BG Jack! :o
Very strong rods 8)
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awesome :o
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Depends on how I feel when I wake up in the morning :).
My most commonly used combos would be:
Carpenter DJ83MH with Dogfight, PE8 line
Carpenter CV7940 with either SW10000 plus SOM 16000 spool or SW18000, PE8 line
Ripple Fisher GT82LC with SW10000 plus SOM 16000 spool, PE8 line
Ripple Fisher 79R with Dogfight or SW18000, PE8 line
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Smith Keyolhu, Stella 18000sw, 100lb Tuff
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My only two combos are a Jigging Master GT Monster 7"8 fished with PE8 Varivas on Stella 18000 & a Smiths Komodo Dragon,PE10 Varivas also on a Stella 18000.One day I may be able to afford a Carpenter!
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Depends on how I feel when I wake up in the morning :).
My most commonly used combos would be:
Carpenter DJ83MH with Dogfight, PE8 line
Carpenter CV7940 with either SW10000 plus SOM 16000 spool or SW18000, PE8 line
Ripple Fisher GT82LC with SW10000 plus SOM 16000 spool, PE8 line
Ripple Fisher 79R with Dogfight or SW18000, PE8 line
Dear Mark,
can you comment more the difference i.e. feel, casting effort, lifting power, quality between ripple fisher and carpenter?
cheers
izhan
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Hot's Gipang 75xxh
Line: varivas avani 170 lb pe 12 Xzoga jigging pe 10
Reel: stella 10000hg with 20000 spool
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv228/vins_82/DSC_0985.jpg)
Good one for me!
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Awesome pic Vincenzo, there's nothing there to stop you going over if you get a bit too ambitious with the drag!
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Or if the line breaks . lol
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Would you guys mind posting pics of your combos as well? I'm a very visual kind of guy.
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Awesome pic Vincenzo, there's nothing there to stop you going over if you get a bit too ambitious with the drag!
I tryed to fish 16 17 kg drag in Socotra with varivas 170 lb but every time the fish run my ass takes flight ;D
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv228/vins_82/IMG_3825-1.jpg)
For me 12 14 kg is enouth! or not?
Vincenzo
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Hi Vincenzo,
I hope you don't mind me asking, why the need for 170lb line fishing 12-14kg of drag? I would have no qualms fishing 80 lb line at that drag setting. For 16-17kg drag I would normally use 130lb, but I think even with 100lb I would not expect the line to burst.
The reason I ask is that I have played with 170lb varivas before, and it is bloody awful to cast! A 7ft 5 rod would not help either!
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Rod: Ocean Revolution WidowMaker PE10 + SW Racepoint 250
Reel: Shimano Stella SW 18000 + 20K MAX Spool + Fisherman Gold Handle and Shimano TwinPower 12000 + No Limits 16K Spool
Line: Jerry Brown - 100lb Hollow and 80lb Hollow
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Hi Vincenzo,
I hope you don't mind me asking, why the need for 170lb line fishing 12-14kg of drag? I would have no qualms fishing 80 lb line at that drag setting. For 16-17kg drag I would normally use 130lb, but I think even with 100lb I would not expect the line to burst.
The reason I ask is that I have played with 170lb varivas before, and it is bloody awful to cast! A 7ft 5 rod would not help either!
Yes sure!
I used 170 lb the biggest line i found! because i don't need to cast so far; i was fishing on a Sea montain and wrecks.
But a bigger line give me more security to stop the fish as soon as possible :D and the line is consumed less.
Vincenzo
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I'd hate to be fishing Vincenzo's spots with Varivas 80lb, any shock loads would mostly end in tears.
Hi Vincenzo,
I hope you don't mind me asking, why the need for 170lb line fishing 12-14kg of drag? I would have no qualms fishing 80 lb line at that drag setting. For 16-17kg drag I would normally use 130lb, but I think even with 100lb I would not expect the line to burst.
The reason I ask is that I have played with 170lb varivas before, and it is bloody awful to cast! A 7ft 5 rod would not help either!
Yes sure!
I used 170 lb the biggest line i found! because i don't need to cast so far; i was fishing on a Sea montain and wrecks.
But a bigger line give me more security to stop the fish as soon as possible :D and the line is consumed less.
Vincenzo
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Vincenzo,
I think you may be underestimating your drag settings are then my friend.
This is a good thing - not everyone is so humble! 8)
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Depending on whether I'm being lazy at casting
Carpenter Endless Passion EP88/35 with Stella SW 18000 w/ PE8
Jigging Master GT Monster 78 with Stella SW 10000 + Jigging Master 16000 Monster Drag spool w/ PE8
Carpenter Monster Hunter MH79XH with Stella SW18000 w/ PE10
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Favourite outfit:
12" wooden spool
80-100lb Scneider Mono.
4 oz bean sinker
8/0 Octopus hookm
Finger stalls essential !
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I have been doing a lot of shopping since my last trip and will be taking the combos below on my next one:
DJ83MH, Stella 10000 w 16000 spool PE8
CV79/40, Stella 10000 w 16000 spool PE8
MH79XH, Stella 18000 PE10
WV83XH RD-X, Stella 18000 w 20000 spool PE12 ( If it's still available on pay day!) as I want to try some no line out, locked drag fishing for a day to see if I can handle it!
I will also bring along the 10000 spools with some PE6 and 3 or 4 spare 16000 spools of PE8 and PE10 for good luck.
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Lots of potential options but the ones I use most often these days would be:
Carpenter MH80H with SW18000 PE8 or Dogfight PE10
Carpenter CV79/40 with SW10000 with 160000 spool PE8
Carpenter EP82/38 with SW10000 with 160000 spool PE8
Carpenter DJ83MH with SW18000 PE8 or Dogfight PE10
Ripple fisher GT82 with Twinpower 12000 PE8
Carpenter LGM SP80M with SW10000 PE6
And Ben.. locked drag? Stop it! I know you have arms like industrial levers but you will just damage yourself.
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I have to try Mark. A 35kg fish should be fine!
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I'd suggest you try a 20kg fish first before thinking of a 35kg ::)
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I'd suggest you try a 20kg fish first before thinking of a 35kg ::)
You might be on to something there mate! Let's hope the fish know it's my first time and play fair!
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A 35 kg fish on locked drag could equal $1,000+ of broken rod and a large medical bill ::)
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One of the Nomad guides, Ed Lester used to fish with a heavier drag than anyone I have ever seen. A 30kg fish at Bugatti almost had him swimming. We had a double hook-up so the boat was going in all directions. The fish pulled him from the front of the boat all the way to the back and if he hadn't been able to hook his leg around the cage at the back of the dory, he would have been swimming!
When fishing for GTs of a decent size, no line out is a conceptual fantasy and no more than that.
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Sounds like a challenge! I may reasses and change my attack to "minimal" line out!
Lol
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Yep, I totally agree with Brandon. The "No Line Out" stuff goes into the rubbish bin of over-macho nonsense that we hear far too much of in our sport.
Ben, fishing a heavy drag is definitely very different to locked drag. Give that a go for sure just so you know what it feels like. I reckon you might just think it takes the enjoyment out of your fishing, but sometimes a case can be made for it - big fish in very shallow water for example. You are a big fella so it would be amusing to watch a GT pull you from one end of the boat to the other ;D ;D .
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Please make sure the video camera is on when all this unfolds ;D
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Andrew! If I fail in a spectacular way and it gets caught on tape I will defiantly post it here for all too see.
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You can't lose really, you will either tame a beast in a way that they have never been tamed before, or else provide us with a great deal of entertainment ;D
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I doubt the "no line out" concept was meant to be strictly literal, I think it may relate more to a figurative concept in nasty conditions where bust-offs are too common.
As is indicated in earlier comments I think heavy drags do have a place and for those that can handle them, but I also much prefer to let a nicely balanced outfit put most of the brake on the fish rather than me taking the beating.
Conversely, one of the more enjoyable parts of the GT trip for me is that occasional meeting with the GT that employs the "no line in" policy ;) ;)
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Conversely, one of the more enjoyable parts of the GT trip for me is that occasional meeting with the GT that employs the "no line in" policy ;) ;)
Too right Andy, and those are the ones that keep us coming back for more!!
My current set ups are:
DJ83MH & Stella 10000FA with 16000 and 20000 spools with 60lb Jerry Brown and 100lb Jerry Brown Respectively
CV79/40 & Stella 10000SW with JM 16000 Monster Spool and Handle Arm with 100lb Jerry Brown
RF 79H & Stella 18000SW with JM Handle Arm and Varivas GT Max PE 10
Feel like I've got pretty much all my bases covered with the above
The 79H is a sublime heavy chugger and handles the larger ( 200gram and up ) stickbaits well enough too, and is a wicked fish fighting tool.
The DJ83MH is an incredible all rounder, even though its supposedly "Older" Carpenter technology, it cast a mile and a half, is a great all day rod, works both Stickbaits and small to medium poppers well, and very easy on the angler, both casting and fighting fish.
The CV79.40 is the newest, and most prized of the stable, and a rod I've been after for ages... matched the 10KSW with the JM spool, I'm pretty sure this will start becoming my most used set up.... the ultimate stickbait rod for GT's in my opinion...
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Ocean Revolution Widowmaker and Stella 10000 Fa with extra 10000 and 20000 spool.
When we were in Florida fishing a wreck for Goliath grouper in 40 feet of water my friend was handed a 130 lbs trolling rod with a 50TLD 2 speed shimano reel with the drag locked and spooled with 130lbs mono....
He is 110kgs in weight and a pretty strong guy but after his first strike and (shortlived) fight with a grouper I could see the fear in his eyes as the fish nearly pulled him over the side 3 times :)
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I am in agreement with Andre on the CV.
I bought one of these when they first came out and having tried several set-ups in between find that this is my 'go-to' rod.
CV79/40RF.SHP in SP78EXH handle
Stella 10K-XG with MC works handle, SOM 16000 NL spool and varivas PE8
using stickbaits and/or smaller faced poppers between 100-150gm
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My current set up:
-BC75MHS with Stella SW8000HG pe6 avani gt
-CV 79/40 with New Saltiga 5000H pe8 YGK WX8
Near future shopping list:
-MH80H with New Saltiga 6500H pe10
Thanks,
Jeff
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CV79/40 with a SW10000 with 16000 spool gets a 5 star rating from me also.
Like you Andy, my only little quibble with the Coral Viper is the slightly too short handle. The only normal length handle I have which it fits nicely into is my Ripple Fisher GT82. Feels weird putting a Carpenter rod into a Ripple Fisher handle though!
I am in agreement with Andre on the CV.
I bought one of these when they first came out and having tried several set-ups in between find that this is my 'go-to' rod.
CV79/40RF.SHP in SP78EXH handle
Stella 10K-XG with MC works handle, SOM 16000 NL spool and varivas PE8
using stickbaits and/or smaller faced poppers between 100-150gm
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New Saltiga 5000H pe8 YGK WX8
Hi Jeff... that's interesting. Can you get enough PE8 onto a Saltiga 5000 spool?
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Saltiga 5000 has an almost identical spool capacity to SOM 16000. I know that is not what it says on paper but I have moved line from one spool to the other. It's lineball.
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Wow.. that's good info Brandon and I must say I am totally surprised. I had no idea the Saltiga 5000 held so much. If it holds 230-240 metres of PE8 like a SOM 16000, that makes it a decent proposition for GT fishing.
The Daiwa spec sheet says you only get 300 metres of PE5!
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Its very conservative - as I said, I have transferred two full spools of line from 16000s to the Daiwa 5000.
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The Daiwa 5000 line cap. is surprising, I wonder if SOM will design a spool for it that will enhance capacity as it did for the Stella 10k? That type of reel set up would certainly become more attractive especially with the SOM drag system on a salti!!!
Mark, how snug is the fit from your LC handle to the CV??
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I was thinking of getting another SW10000 , but this revelation makes me think very seriously about a Saltiga 5000H instead which costs less than an SW10000 plus the compulsory after market spool.
If it already has that line cap Andy, I guess there far less need for a SOM after-market spool than there is a with a SW10000.
On the CV/GT82 fit..... pretty snug but not quite perfect. I need to wax the CV male ferrule. So the female Ripple Fisher ferrule is very slightly too big. Not enough to worry about though and with a bit of wax it feels right.
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Mark/Andy
Can you elaborate a little on the handle length issue on the CV? I've missed any info on this issue, and find it a bit concerning....
Can you let me know your thoughts.. too short, too long??? I was led to believe the rod is perfect... now a little concerned....
I've got pretty long arms ( ape man factor lives well and stong within the Dre! ), am I going to possibly have an issue with it?
Thanks
Dre
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Please don't be put off Andre. The rod is a beauty and any quibble I have is very minor.
Both Andy and I are over 6 feet and I guess his issue is the same as mine - the handle feels a tiny bit short. It is shorter than other equivalent rated Carpenter rods by about 4 cm. And that difference is all in the foregrip.
I reiterate again that this is not a big issue at all and should not put anyone off buying this beautiful rod.
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Hi Dre,
There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the CV length, it's just a personnal thing for me, being 194cm tall and the rod being so damn light in the first place I thought it would be a nice modification to the rod. I am still in 2 minds about ordering a custom handle for the CV from carpenter. Expensive, yes, but I just like using it so much.
Mark, re the potential of even more line cap. on the salti. If SOM did a spool for it with the equvalent 20 to 25% increase in line cap that the SW got, I would buy one. Not only for GT's but it would be nice for PE6 or PE7 on big tuna!!
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Cheers for the replies boys...
I'm 6'1", and like I said, the Ape Man factor is pretty high with long oranguatang arms, so was a little concerned... but no doubt she'll be a pleasure and a beauty to fish...
Thanks again for the informed info...
Dre
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I think the grip length issue is exacerbated by the fact that the hypalon grip finishes about 15 - 20mm short of the end of the butt......not sure why they did that!
It probably wouldn't be too hard to replace the foregrip with a new one that extends to the end of the butt....that will help a little bit. Like you guys though, mine fits nice and snug into my 78EXH butt, only problem is........ I cant use both rods at the same time.
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carpenter moster 80H amd 79xh then theres the ripple fisher ultimo 79 for stick baits .
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Haha, Peter i have the first edition which is full Eva and it still annoys me.
I'd really like to see Carpenter do somethiing more with this popular CV series, the taper and blank are so light, strong and user friendly. In the carpenter thread Tak indicated that Kenji san was testing a proto type 2" longer CV but it appears to have been shelved for the time being. A CV711/40 and a CV710/43 would be nice additions to this line.. ;) ;)
only problem is........ I cant use both rods at the same time.
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... and a CV710/43 would be nice additions to this line.. ;) ;)
Now we're talking 8)
... although we're getting pretty to close to the specs of the MH80H.
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I think the grip length issue is exacerbated by the fact that the hypalon grip finishes about 15 - 20mm short of the end of the butt......not sure why they did that!
Peter, I had that debate with Tak and Brandon in the Carpenter forum a while ago in respect of MH80H. I don't like that feature either and in fact had the grip re-buillt on mine to full cover the ferrule. But, it is down to which factory Carpenter use to make the butt sections and not specific to particular models. For example I have seen DJ83MH with full hypalon grip and with the version that finishes short and leaves the female ferrule exposed.
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Getting closer yes, but the CV is lot softer tipped for sure.
... and a CV710/43 would be nice additions to this line.. ;) ;)
Now we're talking 8)
... although we're getting pretty to close to the specs of the MH80H.
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Thats right, and the CV seems to be a lighter blank somehow, 7'10" would be better than 8' IMHO.
Getting closer yes, but the CV is lot softer tipped for sure.
... and a CV710/43 would be nice additions to this line.. ;) ;)
Now we're talking 8)
... although we're getting pretty to close to the specs of the MH80H.
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I think the grip length issue is exacerbated by the fact that the hypalon grip finishes about 15 - 20mm short of the end of the butt......not sure why they did that!
Peter, I had that debate with Tak and Brandon in the Carpenter forum a while ago in respect of MH80H. I don't like that feature either and in fact had the grip re-buillt on mine to full cover the ferrule. But, it is down to which factory Carpenter use to make the butt sections and not specific to particular models. For example I have seen DJ83MH with full hypalon grip and with the version that finishes short and leaves the female ferrule exposed.
Thats interesting Mark.
I found these two photos on the Plat site in respect of the Blue Chaser 83/40R........Apparently you pay more for the custom version, only to miss out on 20mm of grip!.......WTF?
(http://s17.postimage.org/pxlqu90gb/grips.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/pxlqu90gb/)
(http://s7.postimage.org/8g22c44if/grips2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/8g22c44if/)
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I thought that was quite unusual. The custom model is a lot more expensive than the standard one too. That particular feature seems to be the only difference too.
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Here's the link to previous discussions on this in the Carpenter forum:
http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=3687.30 (http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=3687.30)
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Got it, thanks Mark!
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I have just purchased a 2010 Saltiga 5000 and there is a point to watch on them. The metal drag washers are punched out and not machined. Mine were so bad that it required a lot of honing to get them flat. I have been happy withe reel other than this.
Also SOM do make a NL spool for the new models - see previous post
http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=4976.0 (http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=4976.0)
SOM quote a 15kg drag rating with the spool full of line, while Daiwa quote 15 kg drag with spool empty. A spool rated at 15 kg empty will have approx 7.5 kg drag when the spool is full (there is a formula for this). I have not checked any of the manufacturers claims on these ratings.
Cheers
Les
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Thanks for that Les. I had read that before and it is a disappointing feature for sure.
I have been sitting on the fence about buying a new Saltiga for a long while now, and was focused most on a 6500H. This slightly startling revelation about the the very high line cap on a 5000H is though very interesting, and just might make me take the plunge.
I have none of the Shimano versus Daiwa baggage as used a Dogfight happily for many years alongside various Stellas and it is still running well.
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My combo, yamaga atlas 76/6 and ep85/36 with a 5000h, I'm looking at getting a 10000 with a som spool. In the near future. I have had no problems with the 5000h and the highest I have fished it was 11kg and it handled this flawlessly, I can not fault the reel, I'd just like to try a stella of comparitive size so I can have an informed decision on the stella/saltiga debate
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Hi Les, thanks for the link, it looks like the SOM addition would add no extra line cap on the salti 5000, but as you say the daiwa drag may still a question mark.
This washer issue was the same with the previous saltiga reel versions, if true on the new salti I find it hard to see why Daiwa have gone to all the trouble of making a new real with all it's new fangled lubrication etc. and left in this piece of low quality work in the drag assembly.
I have just purchased a 2010 Saltiga 5000 and there is a point to watch on them. The metal drag washers are punched out and not machined. Mine were so bad that it required a lot of honing to get them flat. I have been happy withe reel other than this.
Also SOM do make a NL spool for the new models - see previous post
http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=4976.0 (http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=4976.0)
SOM quote a 15kg drag rating with the spool full of line, while Daiwa quote 15 kg drag with spool empty. A spool rated at 15 kg empty will have approx 7.5 kg drag when the spool is full (there is a formula for this). I have not checked any of the manufacturers claims on these ratings.
Cheers
Les
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Hi Guys, here are my outfits and please, no laughing. only just starting out. Rods: Daiwa Saltist Demon Blood 802XH pe8, 762H pe5 and Daiwa Emblem Pro 762 MHFS pe3. Reels: Shimano Stella 10000XG with SOM NL and Daiwa Certate Hyper Custom 4000H-PE. Line: YGK Castman WX8 pe8 on SOM, YGK Jigman Ultra pe5 on 10000 spool and Daiwa Tournament Accudepth 40lb on Certate. I will end up with a Carpenter or Ripple.................one day.
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Hi Andy
I have a Z4500 Daiwa and the metal drag washers are machined and anodised albeit rather thin. They appear soft as I have had to re lap them as the anodising became scored. From your experience it appears they have changed mid stream to stamping.
I will send an email to Daiwa Australia, but do not expect a miracle reply.
I am in the process of getting an engineer to machine some flat washers that a slightly thicker from 440C.
Cheers
Les
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Lots of potential options but the ones I use most often these days would be:
Carpenter MH80H with SW18000 PE8 or Dogfight PE10
Carpenter CV79/40 with SW10000 with 160000 spool PE8
Carpenter EP82/38 with SW10000 with 160000 spool PE8
Carpenter DJ83MH with SW18000 PE8 or Dogfight PE10
Ripple fisher GT82 with Twinpower 12000 PE8
Carpenter LGM SP80M with SW10000 PE6
Mark,
I noticed that you use PE8 with Stellas, but PE10 with Saltigas for the same rod set up (so I assume for the same conditions). What is the reason for that?
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Mark,
I noticed that you use PE8 with Stellas, but PE10 with Saltigas for the same rod set up (so I assume for the same conditions). What is the reason for that?
No real logical reason for that Dimitrii. I guess to me the Dogfight just feels like a gruntier reel, particularly in the handle and bail arm departments.
As much as anything else though, I rarely fish find fishing as heavy as PE10 necessary and my two Dogfight spools just happen to be loaded with PE10. I do sometimes carry around a spare Stella 20000 spool loaded with PE10, but I don't ever remember actually using it.
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Thanks for your explanation, Mark.
I can not help asking..... I have just gave away my Tokara 60 which I used mainly with stickbaits and now looking for a stick bait GT rod. And you have very nice choice of rods which I think are good for stickbaits - I am just choosing from CV79/40, EP82/38 and DJ83MH and you have all of them! Can you help me with choosing?
I am thinking of DJ83MH most of all because it is the only one which can be used with PE10, and the only doubt is that it is kind of "old" generation of Carpenter, though it is also very proven... What are the strong points of CV and EP in comparison to DJ? I would appreciate your help very much.
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Hi Dmitrii
If you want a pure stickbait rod, I would not go for DJ83MH. I see that rod as more of an all rounder - indeed one of the very best all round GT rods ever made in my opinion. It will certainly handle stickbaits but there are better specialist options. Great rod but possibly not what you are looking for.
As for CV79/40 versus EP82/38.... take your pick really. But I would not be comfortable fishing PE10 with either of them. CV79/40 is a little stiffer tipped in my opinion but I have read views which disagree with that. Obviously EP82/38 will cast further, although I have always thought CV79/40 casts further than you might expect for its length. I do not think you would be disappointed with either option. If using medium sized chuggers as well as stickbaits with the rod is a likelihood, then I would say CV79/40 is more suited.
If you want a specialist PE10 stickbait rod though, I do not think Carpenter make one (yet) and your options would be limited to Ripple Fisher Ultimo range.
All just my views of course and other may disagree.
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Thank you, Mark. But it looks like got harder to make a right choice... :) As for Ultimo, it says 10PE, but it looks more PE8 class for me...
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I really cannot speak for the Ultimo range but others here certainly could.
I am not sure your decision is that hard as either of EP82/38 or CV79/40 would be a great decision!
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Thank you, Mark.
Appreciate your advice very much.
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My current combo,
Synit TopShot GT (2 piece, join at the reel seat)
- 7' 10"
- Max lure = 260g
- Max drag = 25kg @ 45 degrees
- Max PE 12
Teamed up with the Stella SW 10K
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Rod= 7/6 yamaga blank atlus
reel= 20 000 Stella
Line= varivas gt avani 110lb
Leader=130 instinct
Leader to line= FG Knot
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MH79XH
18000SW Stella
75KG Powerpro
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75 kg braid? :o
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that's serious!
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I wonder if it explodes like other weights of Power Pro? Or maybe it is impossible to put enough shock load on it :) .
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150lb powerpro depth finder, apparently 0.57mm diameter, equivalent to Varivas PE12 :o rock n roll
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75 kg braid? :o
Hi Mark
yes 75 kg powerpro. almost equivalent to 160 lbs.
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Very heavy. How does it cast?
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Very heavy. How does it cast?
Hi Mark
Frankly speaking, cast as well as avani gt pe8
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Very heavy. How does it cast?
Hi Mark
Frankly speaking, cast as well as avani gt pe8
I highly doubt that ::)
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Seems a bit unlikely that what is a PE12 spectra line in diameter would cast as well as a PE8 diameter dyneema line ???.
I long ago black-listed PowerPro from my kit box after several casting explosions of the 80lb and some expensive lures lost (and I saw exactly the same thing happen to another angler just 2 weeks ago). Would be interesting to know if this ultra heavy stuff has the same problem. It may be that it is so thick that the casting load stress is not such a problem.
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Seems a bit unlikely that what is a PE12 spectra line in diameter would cast as well as a PE8 diameter dyneema line ???.
I long ago black-listed PowerPro from my kit box after several casting explosions of the 80lb and some expensive lures lost (and I saw exactly the same thing happen to another angler just 2 weeks ago). Would be interesting to know if this ultra heavy stuff has the same problem. It may be that it is so thick that the casting load stress is not such a problem.
Hi Mark
Your quote on the other thread is causing alittle of concern now (Finally, I would personally counsel against using PowerPro anywhere in the 60 to 80lbs range. Infamously bad at absorbing shock load and prone to explosions. JB and TufLine XP are quite excellent though.
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Kinda of worried now but so far during all the dry casting, nothing tragic yet.
As for Jay's doubt on whether my 75kg powerpro can cast further than pe8 avani. Please take note of the below differences which may cause "unfairness" in distance when comparing the 2 lines:
1) 75kg powerpro in 18000 , avani pe8 in SOM 16K spool
2) MH79XH with the 18K Stella, SP80 or HIIB Smith or Komodo with 16K Stella
3) Direct 130 lbs leader on 18K, direct leader to uni knot with 2 - 3 feet of bite leader on 16K
All these dry casting are done on the same day.
I'm new to popping and am open to all comments.
Thank you
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Hey Charlie. In this forum there seems to be a sort of unwritten rule of not bagging products unless you have significant negative first-hand experience. Sadly, with PowerPro I do. With 2 different spools (both genuine and both purchased from a leading Shimano dealer), I had a lot of casting explosions (either 5 or 6 occurrences) - the line just snapping under casting load. Both spools were 80lb. Cost me two expensive lures - one sinking, so no hope - and one a GT3 170 which ended up behind a rock in an area way too dangerous to take the boat into.
Less than 2 weeks ago I saw this happen to another very experienced angler. When I saw the line on his spool I even said... "that is Tuf Line, right?". Sadly it was 80lb PowerPro and within 30 minutes, exactly the same thing happened to him, but we were able to recover the lure.
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I can only cross my fingers and hope for the best ! hopefully the 75kg braid is better !
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I've been using 100lb Power Pro Red and the new 80lb Power Pro Slick 8 line over the last 3 months from the start of the season and can't say I've had any problem with it. Oh yes... and caught a few fish with it too. :-D
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I hope neither of you have any problems.
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For the type of GT sight fishing I do, I use a Stella 18000SW with 200lb and 300lb JB Hollow looped to 500lb Momoi Diamond. The rod is a Patriot Desiggn Black Diamond. The 500lb cuts quite often. We sight fish in tons of cover, pilings from a pier.
For plugging, I use a Tuna Sniper 60/80 with a Stella 8000SW with a 10000 spool filled with Varivas 65lb.
I haven't had any problems with PowerPro up to 150lbs.
For smaller GT I have Stella 5000SW and 4000's paired with custom Outcasts and older custom Fenwicks and Rainshadows.
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Mark G, how do you break off if you get snagged on the elephant gun tackle? ???
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Mark,
It sounds like you may need a handline n tie it off to the side of the boat when u get the bite! Using that heavy line seems like overkill when the max drag from the spool of a filled Stella is around 20kgs. You won't snap pe12 in a straight line let alone your pe20!
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We never have to "break off". We never get snagged. The GT routinely grab our baits and dive for the pilings and "break off" for us. On an occasion they will run "out" instead of down, then we have a chance to tire them out. Very rare. The Stella"s drag is set at about 30lbs, just about the point where I will get pulled into the water cause I am sitting on the edge of a pier. The usual 40-50lb GT will take, maybe, 5 to 10 yards in the tug of war. If the GT decides to run out then we loosen the drag. All the larger GT we sight hook have ALL run straight under us into the pier piling except for one.
Using a handline and/or rope wouldn't be sporting to me or my friends. We aren't fishing from a boat. We are on a pier about 5' above the GT and tease them with live or dead baits. Watching the GT come and devour our baits is really exciting. Always white knuckles when the initial circling of the bait begins. For bait we use 2-5lb ladyfish, leatherbacks, small jacks up to 2lbs, Pacific threadfin, goatfish, scads, and surgeonfish.
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Sounds like you live hawaii, fishing from military access?
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I regularly land base cast around Sydney ledges for Kings, so have acquired the following over the past 12mths and am happy with all of it:
Rods: Zenaq Fokeeto 83-7, Saltiga Dorao 80TN, new Saltiga Dorado MO83
Reels: Stella 10000SW, Twinpower 5000
Line: 2x10000 spools with 65 and 50lb JB solid (soon to purchase JM16000 spool for 80lb), 2x5000 spools with 20 and 30lb JB solid
But now, we have just booked a trip to Rarotonga at the end of May for a week and I am in the market for my first popping stick in the prospect of my first GT, and the inevitable addiction that is sure to follow. I have read a lot of the info on this site and am still a bit undecided. CV79 is looking very tempting as long as it isn't too similar to the 83-7 re stick baits, and also it may too short for popping off the stones (no dedicated boat rods here, I wouldn't be able to help myself!) What has grabbed my attention is the FCL Labo UCB 80EXT as a more dedicated popping stick with a few inches extra (same length as 80TN). I'd be keen to hear opinions on these two rods compared? Like others here, I'm also really keen to purchase a Salty 5000H, or maybe the new Catalina 5000H loaded with PE8 in comparison to the Stella.
Good informative thread also!
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Carl, not sure you should be comparing a Carpenter rod to an FCL Labo rod. Different price range altogether.
If you have the budget for a CV7940 but want some extra length for shore casting, then Carpenter have other superb options such as Discovery Journey 83MH and the whole Endless Passion range.
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Good points Mark, I've used the EP85 and absolutely love it, but I can't justify another PE6-8 stick bait rod in addition to the Fokeeto 83-7. Price isn't the issue, however the FCL 80EXT appears to be a good buy for what it can do (Fishhead give it a good rap on their sponsor pages).
I am leaning towards an 8' rod due to land based popping requirement also. The Ripple GT82 Longcast looks interesting, and I'd be very appreciative for other members more learned advice.
Cheers
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CV79/40 is not so different from EP82/38 in the stiffness of its tip Carl.
From your further description of what you are looking for, Carpenter Discovery Journey 83MH would be a better option than CV79/40 I think. Really nice rod which will help with casting distance from land and handles chuggers up to 150 grams very capably.
Ripple GT 82 is also a fine rod and one I really enjoy using.
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What about TBL82/40?
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TBL80/40. Sorry for mistyping.
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OK my choice of gear has now settled down and will be coming with me to southern Oman in October:
Rods: Hot's GT77XH and Hot's Rompin 70MH
Reels: Stella 18000SW and 8000SW
Line: Sasame PE8 and PE4
Regards,
Trevor
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My combo are:
Ripple Fisher FS79H with stella 18000SW/Saltiga Expedition only for big poppers
Fisherman GT game TRS with stella 18000SW for all day popping
Ripple Fisher Ultimo 79MH with stella10000SW & JM 16000 monster spool (or new Catalina 5000H) for stick baits...
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FCL Labo 81 Extreme / Penn Torque 9 / Jerry Brown Hollow 100
Berkley Venom Viper GT / Stella 10000 / Jerry Brown Solid (16000 spool being added)