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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Brandon Khoo on February 11, 2009, 09:46:10 PM
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I've been getting a number of PMs and e-mails about the availability of Carpenter rods so I thought it might be easier if I simply posted my understanding of where things are at the moment. Please note this is not intended to be for anything other than the information of members who are in the market for Carpenters popping rods.
In a nutshell, I suspect there will be little available from international distributors for much of this year. I understand there will be a small number of DJ-83s available but not much else as far as popping rods go.
Hopefully, this situation will be alleviated by the end of the year after Carpenter is able to get on top of its domestic demand in Japan. I have no idea of what may be available if you have contacts in Japan as I do not know what is on the production schedule for domestic purposes.
Konishi San was here for a few days recently for the ill-fated week one of Shoalwater and I made him aware of how popular the heavy Super Popping rods (in particular) are here. He has advised that he will get back into producing these as soon as he is able so those of you who have heard that these are no longer going to be made should treat that as a false rumour. That said, I think it is fair to say that there are other models that will get priority in production.
With a bit of luck, we might start to see the availability of rods slowly open up again from late this year.
So, if you want a Carpenter, they will be available again in hopefully, the not too distant future. You just need to be a little patient. For those of us who have been popping for some time, we are used to waiting patiently for our Carpenters. This is an age old issue!
Jon, did you want to add anything?
....... and no Mick, I do not have a SP78UHL I want to sell! ;D
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....... and no Mick, I do not have a SP78UHL I want to sell! ;D
You got me :D :D :D :D
i will be patience on the UHL .
and also i would like to get another SP710H-SHP too
well done spoken brandon
i hope jon can tell us what is availabilly at the stage.
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Hi Brandon ,
Nothing more to add at this stage , you probably are more up todate than me having had Mr. Konishi as your house guest for a few days earlier this month .
Jon .
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One additional point I will make is responding to a question that I have received on a few occasions and that is whether Carpenter limits supply in order to build on the demand and mystique around the brand.
I can only offer my opinion on this but that is a resounding "no". When Konishi San saw me getting my rods ready at Jewell Reef and saw I had about six Carpenters on me, he was genuinely delighted and must have thanked me on about five different occasions for carrying his equipment. I advised him then that there was a big demand even just locally here in Australia that couldn't be met and that wasn't even getting to the lures which were impossible to obtain. I told him I remembered a time when I could pick and choose the size and colour of Sea Frog I wanted at Anglers Hut in Singapore to now when even they had no stock at all.
He was very apologetic about this and said the reason was that Carpenter is just a small company. He would very much like to meet all demand but has to find the right balance with maintaining quality which is a real issue and as it stands, he is struggling with domestic demand.
As an aside, one of the new sea frogs he has been testing looks fantastic. Pity we will probably never see any!
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So how many did you manage to get your hands on Brandon?
Just joking mate.
BTW how many Carpenter rods do you actually have? or is that a bit personal?
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Brandon, I am after a PE 6 - 8 rod that I want to use mostly for large pencils and stickbaits which I have not done any serious work with yet. What would you suggest from the Carpenter stable for this. I will couple this up with a SW10000 XG most likey although a carbontexed 6000GT may also get the knod. Looking at a rod around the 7ft 6 inch mark and the lure to be 220 g max. Having three PE12 outfits is making me realise that something less than an elephant gun is better sometimes.
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Brandon, I am after a PE 6 - 8 rod that I want to use mostly for large pencils and stickbaits which I have not done any serious work with yet. What would you suggest from the Carpenter stable for this. I will couple this up with a SW10000 XG most likey although a carbontexed 6000GT may also get the knod. Looking at a rod around the 7ft 6 inch mark and the lure to be 220 g max. Having three PE12 outfits is making me realise that something less than an elephant gun is better sometimes.
DJ83MH, PE6-10, max lure 220, looks like the one!! Just worried it may be not balanced with the 10Kxg, maybe you are going too heavy on the lure weights for this category.
I match my 10Kxg with CV7940, it throws lures to 150gm beautifully. you may also look at DJ83M or SP80M but I've not used these Jon Li & Brandon will know better.
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SP80M would be a little light for the lures that you are looking @ throwing, you would be better off using a SP78H-SHP, this would be a much better option, it will handle the pencils & stickbaits due to the weight that you want to throw, might be a little stiff in the tip but i'm sure you will handle that. It would also be better suited to your reel that you intend on using.
Just my opinion.
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Sachin
I can't think of a PE6-8 rod that will cast a 220g lure decently. You can always lob one but for a proper cast, it's too heavy, I think. A CV79 RF40 would be good but I'd think that about 180g would be as high as you'd go on that. I'd also throw the TBL711 RF35 into the mix.
I don't think a SP78H would be suitable for stickbaits, especially if you were looking to use surface stickbaits. If you want to use big heavy stickbaits, probably best to go to your WV80XH. You don't need a rod that will cast weights of 220g because you already have those rods.
Other possibilities include the DJ83M or Long Reef but these are too long in terms of what you're looking for. SP80M is essentially a popping stick.
Brandon, I am after a PE 6 - 8 rod that I want to use mostly for large pencils and stickbaits which I have not done any serious work with yet. What would you suggest from the Carpenter stable for this. I will couple this up with a SW10000 XG most likey although a carbontexed 6000GT may also get the knod. Looking at a rod around the 7ft 6 inch mark and the lure to be 220 g max. Having three PE12 outfits is making me realise that something less than an elephant gun is better sometimes.
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you would be better off using a SP78H-SHP,
By the way if anybody has an SP78H-SHP or SP710H-SHP (essentially same rod longer handle), in good condition, that they would be willing to trade / sell, I would be very seriously interested.
I have other 2 other new carpenter rods that I could barter.
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I have the odd one here and there, Brock
So how many did you manage to get your hands on Brandon?
Just joking mate.
BTW how many Carpenter rods do you actually have? or is that a bit personal?
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thanks for your information bro, it's perfect explanation for a lot of questions
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By the way if anybody has an SP78H-SHP or SP710H-SHP (essentially same rod longer handle), in good condition, that they would be willing to trade / sell, I would be very seriously interested.
I have other 2 other new carpenter rods that I could barter.
I have a SP78H-SHP but I think it's unlikely I'll want to sell/trade it. Out of curiosity though, what other carpenters do you have to barter with?
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By the way if anybody has an SP78H-SHP or SP710H-SHP (essentially same rod longer handle), in good condition, that they would be willing to trade / sell, I would be very seriously interested.
I have other 2 other new carpenter rods that I could barter.
I have a SP78H-SHP but I think it's unlikely I'll want to sell/trade it. Out of curiosity though, what other carpenters do you have to barter with?
WV80XH and CV79/35RF
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hey jay
did you sell/trade/swap the rod with andy or not ??
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Mick,
You are desperate for Carpenters aren't you? What are you after?
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hey jay
did you sell/trade/swap the rod with andy or not ??
Mick, No deals yet these 2 rods are available potentially for swapping and definitely for sale at AUD1000 each. Both rods brand new and unused. I will also be posting details for a bunch of other gear for sale next week including shimano, daiwa, and 7 seas along with some other bits and pieces.
I will be in Aussie in late April to go to the coral sea, so my plan was to bring down some pre-sold gear and save on shipping if i get any buyers that is.
PS Brock did you get my last email?
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hey jay
did you sell/trade/swap the rod with andy or not ??
Mick, No deals yet these 2 rods are available potentially for swapping and definitely for sale at AUD1000 each. Both rods brand new and unused. I will also be posting details for a bunch of other gear for sale next week including shimano, daiwa, and 7 seas along with some other bits and pieces.
I will be in Aussie in late April to go to the coral sea, so my plan was to bring down some pre-sold gear and save on shipping if i get any buyers that is.
PS Brock did you get my last email?
no worrie,s sound good andy .
umm may i ask you is the CV79/35RF rod for stickbait only ??
and also will this be a good match to the stella 10000 sw model ??
as i just looked it up and notice it,s a pe6 rod .
and also drop me pm on the other,s gear ;)
cheer,s mick
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Mick,
You are desperate for Carpenters aren't you? What are you after?
hi brock .
i am not in a hurry for them :D
just slowly building up my gear,s
SP710H-SHP and SP78UHL-SHP.
(brandon will kill me for saying this ... the UHL ;D ;D)
and one carpenter rod to match the stella 10000 sw reel or twinpower reel too
maybe get different rod like smith or hot or Ocean Revolution
can,t make up my mind on that to fish in pe3-6 class
cheer,s mick
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Mick,
The 10KSW is made for the coral viper IMO, I put a 10K on the CV79/40RF it is perfectly balanced, I'd almost hate to put a heavier reel on it.
I have only used 130gm stickbaits on my 40 and they go long.
I believe poppers are doable but not heavy chuggers, the lure max is 170gm on the 35.
Cheers
Andy
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Andy,
Yep
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hey jay
did you sell/trade/swap the rod with andy or not ??
Nah Mick, my SP78H-SHP is too valuable to me!
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Jay,
what other rod do you use for popppers? what reel & line do you use on your SP78H?
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Jay,
what other rod do you use for popppers? what reel & line do you use on your SP78H?
Brock,
I've got a Stella 10000FA on my SP78H which has PE8 YGK castman (100lb). I also have a Komodo Dragon with a SW18000HG and PE10 Varivas.
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Jay,
what other rod do you use for popppers? what reel & line do you use on your SP78H?
Brock,
I've got a Stella 10000FA on my SP78H which has PE8 YGK castman (100lb). I also have a Komodo Dragon with a SW18000HG and PE10 Varivas.
Jay, what are the maximum popper lure weights you think suitable/comfortable for the SP78H rod?
Thanks
Andy
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Jay,
what other rod do you use for popppers? what reel & line do you use on your SP78H?
Brock,
I've got a Stella 10000FA on my SP78H which has PE8 YGK castman (100lb). I also have a Komodo Dragon with a SW18000HG and PE10 Varivas.
Jay, what are the maximum popper lure weights you think suitable/comfortable for the SP78H rod?
Thanks
Andy
hmmm... I would say around 160g lure weight.
I've used G cups on it but it was pretty difficult.
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Hi Andy ,
I use lures ranging from 100 gr. to 150 gr. using my SP710H SHP ( extended handle version of SP78H SHP ) but have used 80 gr. pencil popper to a good casting distance when targetting YFT .
As for chugging effectively , I would say lures with mouth having diameter 45 mm is pretty close to the optimum the tip of SP78H SHP can handle , larger diameter may need one to use heavier rods such as SP78EX-H or even SP78UHL SHP .
Jon .
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Jon / Jay, thanks for your in-put, this will help with packing for future trips. I have a 78-EXH which is an exceptional-heavier popping rod so it will compliment well.
Jon just as a matter of interest, is the longer handle on your SP710H-SHP simply a longer handle or is there some sort of extender on it?
You described it too me before but I forgot the details :-[ :-[
Thanks
Andy
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Jon / Jay, thanks for your in-put, this will help with packing for future trips. I have a 78-EXH which is an exceptional-heavier popping rod so it will compliment well.
Jon just as a matter of interest, is the longer handle on your SP710H-SHP simply a longer handle or is there some sort of extender on it?
You described it too me before but I forgot the details :-[ :-[
Thanks
Andy
Hi Andy ,
When you get your SP78H SHP , let's meet for a few Bintangs and I will bring my SP710H SHP to compare it with yours , better still let's go fishing together as I think YFTs should be appearing soon in P.Ratu albeit a Japanese expatriate angler reported yesterday the water was not clear due to too much rainfall in the area .
Jon .
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Jon / Jay, thanks for your in-put, this will help with packing for future trips. I have a 78-EXH which is an exceptional-heavier popping rod so it will compliment well.
Jon just as a matter of interest, is the longer handle on your SP710H-SHP simply a longer handle or is there some sort of extender on it?
You described it too me before but I forgot the details :-[ :-[
Thanks
Andy
Hi Andy ,
When you get your SP78H SHP , let's meet for a few Bintangs and I will bring my SP710H SHP to compare it with yours , better still let's go fishing together as I think YFTs should be appearing soon in P.Ratu albeit a Japanese expatriate angler reported yesterday the water was not clear due to too much rainfall in the area .
Jon .
Good idea, you name the bar this time.
Encouraging news about the YFT at Ratu...An SP78H may be a few months off arriving in Jakarta for me, BUT....I do have a brand new LR88 which is in serious need of a workout, I'm sure you'll want to land a good YFT with that.
Cheers
Andy
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Hi Andy ,
I am going to the rivers of East Borneo next week so P.Ratu will have to wait till after I return , hopefully I don't miss the buffalo tuna runs . I have a few rods to flex myself but will bring my dedicated tuna rod OMA92 , haven't been able to push this rod due to missing the big tuna these few years .
As for the bar , will call you .
Jon .
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hey brandon or jonli
i am wondering which is the best over all popping / stickbait rod on the carpenter ??
which would you pick ??
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you want a popping or stickbait rod or both?
What weight line do you want to fish?
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you want a popping or stickbait rod or both?
What weight line do you want to fish?
well you have a lot of carpenter rod so which one is your best rod for the over all fishing trip
eg .
1. for popping only is
2. for stickbait only is
3. both is
4. over all choice is
just would like to get some idea from you
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Mick, as I wrote, it depends on what weight you want to fish. For example, no point using a SP78UHL if you're fishing PE6
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Mick, as I wrote, it depends on what weight you want to fish. For example, no point using a SP78UHL if you're fishing PE6
lol well let,s say pe8-12 class
as i am trying to say which is the most persoral choice use for the overall
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Mick - big range you have specified there. Stickbait rods stop at PE8. My choice is the TBL711 RF35. Another option is the CV79 RF40 but for a pure stickbait rod, I prefer the TBL.
Poppind rod - for PE8, I like the SP80M. PE10 to 12, SP78EXH or UHL.
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Mick - big range you have specified there. Stickbait rods stop at PE8. My choice is the TBL711 RF35. Another option is the CV79 RF40 but for a pure stickbait rod, I prefer the TBL.
Poppind rod - for PE8, I like the SP80M. PE10 to 12, SP78EXH or UHL.
thank,s for sharing a bit .
that is interesting
may i ask you what about the LR88 ??
what is the best to suit this rod ?? and what is this main for ??
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The Long Reef is well named because it is meant for long range casting needs.
This is not the type of rod we tend to use here and I think this rod was designed with locations like the Maldives in mind. I think this rod would be good as a shore based GT rod but if you were seriously looking at a shore based rod, you should look at the specialist rods made for this.