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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Brandon Khoo on May 07, 2009, 09:49:57 PM
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Just wondering what brand of leader people prefer and why.
I like YGK Gailis 170lb myself for my single strand leaders as I find it is still fine enough to cast well, is reasonably resistant abrasion and is still soft enough to take friction knots well.
For twisted leaders when I do make them, I like Penn 10X because it is so abrasion resistant. Cheap too!
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For twisted leaders I use Black Magic 130lb tough trace because it's really abrasion resistant and cheap (handy because you use heaps when making twisted leaders). For PR knots I've been using 170lb & 200lb Fisherman super stealth. Not sure if I like it yet, it's extremely supple, probably a bit too much for my liking. Not sure how abrasion resistant it is... might start looking for an alternative that's a bit tougher but still soft enough for a PR knot to bight in.
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Jay, I find the Fisherman leader stretches too much for my liking.
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We use Galis 130lb for twisted leaders. I've never used a single strand but Warwick has been crimping on a length of 200lb single on occasions lately.
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hi guys, i have been using 170lb galis now for about 6 months and have had no problems as yet
easy to tie knots with and usually get a full days popping without needing to change
cheers
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hi every one .
i have been using 3 different brand,s
the YGK Gailis 100lb florocarbon twisted leader ( the best i have used so far )
and varivas florocarbon 100lb leader ( haven,t test them yet )
and Yozuri fluorocarbon pink leader 130 lb twisted leader
some time i add 250lb single leader to the twisted leader .
for pe4-6 class i use single leader yamatoyo florocarbon 70lb leader
i haven,t tryed the single leader on 170lb or more
cos i need the PD knot tool to do the job .
maybe in the future i migth buy one .
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Mick, why do you use fluorocarbon?
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For single I use 130lb Black magic. Nice and supple, easy to tie. For twisted I just use 80lb berkley that I bought in a bulk spool. Haven't found the need for anything heavier around Cairns.
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Fisherman Super Stealth for single strand leaders - really like the supple nature of this line, ties knots well too.
Shogun for twisted leaders
Varivas shockleader up to 400lb for bite leaders/tippets.
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Shogun for single strand leader and it ties knots extremely well in 300lb..
System shock leader in 150lb for twisted leaders..
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May i ask what knot you boys use from your bimini to your single strand leaders?
And to your twisty's?
Been using a cat's paw and it seems to be good so far!
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Sam, I don't use a bimimi to a single strand leader. It's single strand to single strand using a friction knot like a PR or FG knot. I don't like the midknot myself.
For bimimi to twisty, its a catspaw.
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Can someone help with some information on the Shogun leader as I cannot seem to locate any details about the product.
Many thanks
Les
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There is a little detail about Shougun line from this distributor,i stock this in my shop and alot of people purchace it,strength is very high and i use 300lb for GT popping and is very easy to tie knots with..
http://www.river2sea.com.au/categories.asp?cID=353 (http://www.river2sea.com.au/categories.asp?cID=353)
http://www.river2sea.com.au/categories.asp?cID=50 (http://www.river2sea.com.au/categories.asp?cID=50)
Not sure if there is a shogun website,been trying but cant find anything!!
Hope this gives a little help!!
Nath
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May i ask what knot you boys use from your bimini to your single strand leaders?
And to your twisty's?
Been using a cat's paw and it seems to be good so far!
Sam, I use a cairns quickie for bimini to single but only with nice soft leader! I find that Fluro C doesnt like that knot. For lighter applications I use a simple double uni.
Twisty to bimini I use the cats paw or the improved cats paw, not sure why its called the improved cats paw the first one doesnt give any trouble to start with!! But I do find the improved paw easier to tie.
Oh I use Galis leader, its just so nice to work with!!
130 or 80 for twisties and 200 single crimped to twisty if the fish are shy.
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150lb Maxima Ultragreen. Cheap and tough connected via PR knot. No hassles and no problems.
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What do people think of the Varivas shock leader?
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it's good
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i use 200 lbs varivas shock leader : good
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Here's an idea for a bite leader...
Just slip about 10" of clear plastic tubing over your leader before you tie/crimp your swivel on.
Something like this stuff...
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2650/lineguard1.gif) (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/lineguard1.gif/)
Just make sure the size is a snug fit and glue in place at swivel end with something like Dac Tac.
I havn't tried it yet and obviously it wouldn't improve strength, but I'd imagine it would help out a bit with bite/abrassion resistance, plus it's a neat finish and cheap to buy.
I dont see why it wouldn't work for both singles and twisty's.
Cheers Rob
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Anyone know who makes leader over 200lb, besides fisherman?
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Jay, a heap of manufacturers make leaders heavier than 200lb. I'd probably go so far as to say that I think most manufacturers that make leaders would have offerings over 200lb.
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Jay, a heap of manufacturers make leaders heavier than 200lb. I'd probably go so far as to say that I think most manufacturers that make leaders would have offerings over 200lb.
hmm... just been looking at the most common ones used for GT popping and haven't really been able to find much.
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Jay, a heap of manufacturers make leaders heavier than 200lb. I'd probably go so far as to say that I think most manufacturers that make leaders would have offerings over 200lb.
hmm... just been looking at the most common ones used for GT popping and haven't really been able to find much.
Most leader above 200lb will be used as a shock leader/tippet.
My recommendations would be Varivas and Shogun.
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What did you want this for, Jay? I wouldn't be looking for a leader that heavy. ABout the only thing I would use it for would be a bite leader. For a bite leader, you'd want something as abrasion resistant as you could get.
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What did you want this for, Jay? I wouldn't be looking for a leader that heavy. ABout the only thing I would use it for would be a bite leader. For a bite leader, you'd want something as abrasion resistant as you could get.
Want to use it as a GT leader but might just stick with 200lb.
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You only need something 250lb+ for all but the biggest GTs.
And yes it is required should you be encountering these size of GTs commonly.
I meant to say 'bite' in my other post. I only use a max of 1 metre of this material.
Definitely have some rigs with this material if you end up going to NC Jay.
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bloody hell, I think I will pinch the 400lb off the boys if I need it when I'm there!
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You only need something 250lb+ for all but the biggest GTs.
And yes it is required should you be encountering these size of GTs commonly.
I meant to say 'bite' in my other post. I only use a max of 1 metre of this material.
Definitely have some rigs with this material if you end up going to NC Jay.
Yep will do ;D
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bloody hell, I think I will pinch the 400lb off the boys if I need it when I'm there!
Take some big crimps ;)
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Did any 1 tried using 250 lbs PE line as leader?
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Did any 1 tried using 250 lbs PE line as leader?
Not really. As Brandon mentioned in another topic you posted - it really doesn't have the abrasion or shock properties required for GT fishing.
I have made my own hybrid 500lb Kevlar cord/nylon shock leader system but don't use it often as I think there are better leader systems out there.
Luke
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Picking up this thread since I have a few questions regarding things mentioned here.
1. what is your preferred bite leader brand ? ( GT popping )
2 Mono or nylon ?.
3 any thoughts on YKG Nylon shock leader ( as leader.. not bite leader) ... ( I can get 50m 130lb and 170 lb spools cheep here in Sweden )
Patrick
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Mono or nylon usually refers to the same thing Patrick, at least in my part of the world.
If you mean YGK Galis shock leader, it is a good product I think and widely used. I use the 200 lb sometimes. My preferred brand though is Sunline Big Game Shock Leader - quite hard to get outside Japan and expensive. It is though the most memory-free shock leader I have come across.
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For the bite leader (when I do use one) I like to go for something very hard and abrasion resistant. It's only a short segment at the end of a shock leader
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Mark.
I don't know where my head was when I wrote that :P
I meant fluoro or mono (for the bite leader part)
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Sunline Big Game 210lb is usually what we use for the shock leader.
For a bite tippet either of 330lb Sunline Big Game or 300lb Moi Moi Ultra Hard both work well. Although we have used up to 400lb Moi Moi in some cases.
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Fish Head.
Thanks.. bite tippet might be a better word to use :)
I'm thinking of making some bite tippets ( crimping ) aprox 50 cm ? for times I might need one.
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Mark.
I don't know where my head was when I wrote that :P
I meant fluoro or mono (for the bite leader part)
;)
On the odd occasion when I use a bite leader for popping, I use a short fluoro section
150lb to 200lb, maybe 30 cm. Even lightish fluoro is going to be better at abrasion resistance than any mono.
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Does anyone have any idea on just how much more abrasion resistant fluorocarbon is than mono?
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Nothing scientific but I work on leader 40lb FC=60lb Mono / 1001b FC=150 Mono and bite leader 200lb FC or 300lb Mono
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I use Jinkai Plus 120lb sometimes 150lb twisties, have not had any problems. i see nobody else seems to use this, any reason?
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I use Jinkai Plus a fair bit in casting and trolling without any complaints, and use the 300lb as a Mono bite leader on Twisties
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Jinkai is a nice leader, supple and easy to tie even in heavy gauge.
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Thanks guys.
Jinkai is quite cheap and easy to get hold of and have tools and crimps suited for the lines. ( for better breaking strength).. might go with that then...
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If you go back and read the thread again some interesting comments are coming through but more interesting is Alan's replies.
While he said some positive things about the new Saltiga msot people focused on the negative (as you do) but in his replies he really goes into bat for the Saltiga. He's sayiing similar things to the original post but when read on their own you can see his point a lot more.
It's the smoothest reel going around, smoother than the stella which is a pretty big statement and so on. The drag is clearly outstanding.
I do agree with his harsh approach though as for some of the faults it is almost unforgiveable in a flagship reel. Almost surprising these faults made it to production.
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Hi all
I'm using 170lb YGK galis for single strand leaders with an FG knot.
But was think of trying some 130lb YGK galis flourocarbon.
What are people thoughts.
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Tony, I have always been very wary of tying any friction knot to fluorocarbon. I know that some others feel comfortable with it though. Fluoro is just so hard and smooth I struggle to rationalise how a friction knot works with such a material!
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Either Fisherman Stealth is various BS for twisties and something I have experimented with this year;
200lb single strand glueless served wind-ons with JB HC ... no knot system ...
worked a treat and although cannot comment on long term use it did the business - only downside is each leader is around $20 ...
http://streamlineleaders.com (http://streamlineleaders.com) - they made some 200lb up for me on request ...
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I've used glueless wind-ons quite a few years ago. They work really good but I have laregly moved away from hollowcore braided lines.
I change my temperament all the time
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We know Luke!! ::) ;D
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We know Luke!! ::) ;D
Thought you may have forgotten Greg, in your advanced years that is ;)
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Any preference Luke?
Twisties are a lot cheaper and you can bang em out at home prior to a trip ... the streamlines I got made up were costly but worked well enough ...
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If you use wind-on's, use hollow spectra over dacron.
The waxy dacron can tack itself to your braid mainline and cause a loop to fly off the spool.
The typical ending is a bent stripper guide and gelcoat smacked off the side of the boat when the popper comes swinging back.
For twisties: 100-150 Shogun.
For single leader: Sunline Shock or Varivas up to 200.
Aaron.
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We know Luke!! ::) ;D
Thought you may have forgotten Greg, in your advanced years that is ;)
Yeah Greg.....I dont owe you any money.....really I dont... ;D ;D
Pete
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Ha ha, very funny youngies :P, 'All things must pass', aaaahhh! what were we talking about ???
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For single leader: Sunline Shock or Varivas up to 200.
Aaron.
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Does 200 Varivas cast ok with a PR knot?
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For single leader: Sunline Shock or Varivas up to 200.
Aaron.
Does 200 Varivas cast ok with a PR knot?
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I use 200lb Varivas and it goes pretty well with a PR through the guides... just make it as small as possible.
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Does anyone run a hybrid system with a twisted connected to some single strand 150lb flouro? that way you get the benifit of the shock leader, the slim casting casts paw, and the invisibility of the single strand flouro? if so whats the best connection method? twisted leader uni'ed to cran swivel crimped one one end and criped to a split right on the other end?
cheers
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Gavin,
There is a video on Nomad page, it shows the connection they use. Twisted to a single strand. Which is also what im using at the moment.
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Gavin, you might find this recent thread interesting:
http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=3119.0 (http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=3119.0)