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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Mark Harris on March 15, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
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I was wondering if anyone had any experience in using super glue with dyneema braid (eg Varivas GT Max) and if it has any adverse effect on the integrity of the line?
I have done few home tests and the glue does not seem to damage the line.
Would be very interested to hear of any first hand experiences with this.
In case anyone is wondering where this weird request came from... I am experimenting with a way of finishing off a knot.
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Hi Mark.
Used it frequently to finnish off the Bimmni Twist when blue water fishing quite a while back.
Started using a year ago on both FG and PR Knot no problem as of yet i feel a bit more secure with it now as a back up..
Cheers Tony.
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Mark
I have experimented with using glues to finish off knots and came across Maverick Bond which is a flexible super glue. It is expensive AUD20 but lasts a long time. I have not had any adverse effects on braid that I have been able to detect.
The only place I know where to get it is a Hobby Place in Cheltenham, Victoria, Australia
http://www.mavco.co.nz/index.aspx?site=465&page=3958
Good luck
Les
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Hi Mark.
I have been using a UV knot glue for the past 2 years and have had no issues. I tried superglue but found it to be very ridgid.
The UV Glue only goes off once its exposed to UV light so its great because you can work with it a bit before it sets and it still remains soft enough to run through the guides without sticking.
http://www.theflyfishers.com/fly-shop-details.asp?ID=144&pID=1107
Cheers
Ryan
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Super glue dries very tough and rigid....
I wouldn't like to have say a full FG knot covered in super glue....casting this really rough section through your runners may cause some problems.?
Might need to use heat shrink over it too..
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Mark, I have used it directly on braid as I used to use some braid to finish off the wind-back section of the twistie. It doesn't seem to have any effect at all on it.
For FG and PR knots, there is a special glue you can buy in Japan. I don't use it as I don't think it is helpful on a well-tied knot and conversely, it won't save a bad knot.
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Mark, I have used it directly on braid as I used to use some braid to finish off the wind-back section of the twistie. It doesn't seem to have any effect at all on it.
Yeah, that was my exact use also...dries pretty hard but didn't matter there as the heat shrink went over the top.
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Gents, thank you all very much. Again this forum comes through :) . Really appreciate all of that and it backs up my my home tests.
Whilst reading around I found out that the active ingredient in super glue - Cyanoacrylate - has an exothermic reaction with cotton! with that in mind I was a bit nervous that it would have at least some effect on braid. That does not seem to be the case though.
Pete - I have always been a bit nervous about heat shrink over braided line due to sensitivity of braid to heat. You never had any problems?
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Aloha Mark,
there is also an adhesive called "PlioBond" that will work. I used to mainly use it on my flyfishing equipment because, as the name indicates, it remains a very pliable bond when joining lines. I used it for a while on my GT gear, but then lost the bottle and never bothered to buy it again.
The thick liquid will soak into the braided lines, then wipe off the excess. After it cures, it will remain highly flexible while still binding the fibers together.
One downside, is that it STINKS to high hell, a get out of the room kind of stink.
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Many thanks Nathan. I see that Pliobond is a contact adhesive. It is not a brand I have ever seen but I can probably find a similar product.
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Gents, thank you all very much. Again this forum comes through :) . Really appreciate all of that and it backs up my my home tests.
Whilst reading around I found out that the active ingredient in super glue - Cyanoacrylate - has an exothermic reaction with cotton! with that in mind I was a bit nervous that it would have at least some effect on braid. That does not seem to be the case though.
Pete - I have always been a bit nervous about heat shrink over braided line due to sensitivity of braid to heat. You never had any problems?
Not with the hair dryer mark....The hair dryer works well.
My wife loves me using hers... ;D....Obviously these need to be made prior to your trip... ;D
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Mark,
You will find the glue you need from anyone making/selling wind on leaders, they use the flexible glue on the serve.
You can also use hot water for heat shrink.
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Yep thanks Sam. I was looking around for past few days and some do use cyanoacrylate ("super glue") for certain applications with braided line and others use flexible adhesives.
From what I am doing flexibility is not too much of an issue, and super glue will do the job I think.
I am now fully re-assured that using cyanoacrylate glue will not adversely effect the integrity of the braid.
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Isnt the whole purpose of tying a knot , to tie it well in the first place. These are superior knots your tying and I dont think were ever designed to use super glues. First rule is to be confident in what you are tying.My two cents worth
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Glue is often used just for finishing a knot off Gary - eg holding down a tag end that might fray and look untidy.
If you are tying your own assists it is also useful for holding the tag end of the cord in place and stiffening the overhand knot. Indeed not sure I have ever made an assist hook without adding super glue!
Also in the world of wind-on leaders, glue is widely used for various purposes. See for example: http://www.bhptackle.com/home.php?cat=50 .
So glue has a very valid place in the modern world of fishing knots.
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Possibly not Amr. It is just something I have always done from the first day I was taught to tie an assist more years ago than I care to admit :-X.
Also, it is recommended as an aid to stop kevlar knots slipping in G-Man's excellent beginner's guide to jigging which I always suggest people read: http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f68/intro-jigging-gman-reference-beginers-4449/
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Aloha Mark,
there is also an adhesive called "PlioBond" that will work. I used to mainly use it on my flyfishing equipment because, as the name indicates, it remains a very pliable bond when joining lines. I used it for a while on my GT gear, but then lost the bottle and never bothered to buy it again.
The thick liquid will soak into the braided lines, then wipe off the excess. After it cures, it will remain highly flexible while still binding the fibers together.
One downside, is that it STINKS to high hell, a get out of the room kind of stink.
I finally got a bottle of Pliobond yesterday. Nathan you were not exaggerating about the smell!
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Mark.....another good product is Zap CA. I use it on all my windons
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No good knot or charred tag end requires glue. Wind-On serves are the exception.
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I would have to agree with Luke here although it is not 'wrong' either to apply glue on the knot. I haven't applied any glue on me knots to date but I am quite tempted to try.
To each his own and to what works for every individual.. cheers and tight lines!
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I'm not sure glue would save a bad knot. I think it is best to go with an approach whereby your knots are reliable to a point where glue is superfluous
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I have thought of using glue to stop this! No matter what I do it always happens to my FG... I have lost fish due to this, other fish striking the tag making a bubble trial much like a swivel...
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Sam, if you burn the tag end, it will stop this.
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Sam, if you burn the tag end, it will stop this.
I was worried about getting heat too close to the main line, guess I'll offer my finger tips as protection.
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Sam,
Can you get hold of a Bouz line cutter?
Trev
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Sam... use a Rizzuto finishing knot and no more tag ;)
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Sam,
Can you get hold of a Bouz line cutter?
Trev
Always wanted one, don't think they are carried by anyone in NZ... But I'll track one down.
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Sam... use a Rizzuto finishing knot and no more tag ;)
I do, but I must do something wrong because it always unravels itself after a few outings on the same leader...
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Sam... use a Rizzuto finishing knot and no more tag ;)
I do, but I must do something wrong because it always unravels itself after a few outings on the same leader...
I experience that too.
The half-hitches and burning the tag just seems to work perfectly!
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Interesting - I find that Rizuttos will often unravel unless you glue them. Easier to just burn the tag end
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No good knot or charred tag end requires glue. Wind-On serves are the exception.
I don't agree with that from a finishing point of view. An assist cord knot for example benefits greatly from glue and it is the only way I have found to stop it fraying. Also I am sure I am not the only one who gets irritated by frayed ends on an FG knot after a lot of hard casting even when it has been fire cut. A blob of glue stops the fraying.
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Assist cord doesn't slip if it is tied properly. Actually, it need to be tied pretty badly for it to slip. The fraying looks terrible cosmetically but I have never seen it become a problem in terms of causing slippage. I use shrink tube so it is irrelevant anyway.
You only get the frayed ends if you cut the line using the Bouz burner. If you burn it down, it never frays.
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Bad fraying on an assist cord really worries me Brandon as after a while it seems to continue right into the knot.
On burning braid - that's very interesting. I always use a Bouz line cutter as I have been concerned about burning down and the flame being out of control and effecting the integrity of the knot/line. But I can easily see how that would great a "blob" effect and seal the end of the braid nicely.
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No good knot or charred tag end requires glue. Wind-On serves are the exception.
I don't agree with that from a finishing point of view. An assist cord knot for example benefits greatly from glue and it is the only way I have found to stop it fraying. Also I am sure I am not the only one who gets irritated by frayed ends on an FG knot after a lot of hard casting even when it has been fire cut. A blob of glue stops the fraying.
Well I don't know what you are doing wrong but all my charred PE and custom assists do not fray. Period.
So, still - glue is not in anyway required.
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I guess you are just much better at it than me Luke ;)
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I guess you are just much better at it than me Luke ;)
Made a dozen custom assists and tied, used and stretched FGs all of last week. The only deduction is that you aren't doing it or not doing it right all.
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Well I can promise you I am "doing it" and I have no idea why you would think I am not.
As I said, I guess you are much better at it than me, and the other anglers who I see having the same issue. Cut kevlar frays badly 100% of the time when I use it. A blob of glue or alternatively heat shrink, stops that fraying. Even if use heat shrink I still normally seal the tag ends of the kevlar with glue and stick them against the shank of the hook before fitting the heat shrink.
A tied off FG knot frays sometimes when I use a Bouz line cutter (see my reply to Brandon above). Brandon's advice about burning it down rather using a cutter is helpful. I have always been a bit nervous about naked flame and braid. A tiny blob of glue at the end of the tie off around the mainline ensures it never frays and I can't see how that would cause any harm?
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Well I can promise you I am "doing it" and I have no idea why you would think I am not.
As I said, I guess you are much better at it than me, and the other anglers who I see having the same issue. Cut kevlar frays badly 100% of the time when I use it. A blob of glue or alternatively heat shrink, stops that fraying. Even if use heat shrink I still normally seal the tag ends of the kevlar with glue and stick them against the shank of the hook before fitting the heat shrink.
A tied off FG knot frays sometimes when I use a Bouz line cutter (see my reply to Brandon above). Brandon's advice about burning it down rather using a cutter is helpful. I have always been a bit nervous about naked flame and braid. A tiny blob of glue at the end of the tie off around the mainline ensures it never frays and I can't see how that would cause any harm?
No harm besides completely convoluting the process.
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Sam... use a Rizzuto finishing knot and no more tag ;)
I do, but I must do something wrong because it always unravels itself after a few outings on the same leader...
I experience that too.
The half-hitches and burning the tag just seems to work perfectly!
Sounds simple, I like simple. Done.
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as has been said, you can use superglue it works without damaging the integrity of the braid, but is rigid.
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Hey Alan. For that very reason I was pleased to get the recommendation of Pliobond from Nathan. As the name implies it is not rigid. Good stuff for sure.