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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: mike burgess on January 11, 2010, 11:46:42 AM
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Looking for some advice...
I am going to Fiji for a 10 day fishing trip in March & am thinking of buying a Stella 18000SW & maybe a Shimano GT Special.
I live in Sydney & fish from both rocks & boat both inside & outside harbour, mainly for kingfish.
Now this is a lot of cash to outlay but I think I'm in need of a treat and never really splurged on fishing gear too much before.
I'm sure the combo above would be great for the 10 days in Fiji but overkill for my usual fishing here in Sydney.
So, I thought maybe I could get away with the Stella 10000SW in Fiji, which would also be more usable at home.
I guess the question is would the 10000SW handle the fishing in Fiji, mainly trolling and GT popping.
Obviously the 18000 would be much better but would I get away with the 10000?
Any thoughts/advice/past experience much appreciated!
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I think you will find the 10000SW will do the job for what you want in Fiji. I landed a mid forties kind of fish in NC on a 10000XG and while I've since upgraded to a bigger spool in the 16000 No Limits spool from Studio Ocean Mark, I landed that fish on the standard spool.
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I recently went through this dilemma (only for popping in QLD). I think one of the most common Stella's out there for popping in the past was the 10,000 FA. Now that Shimano has release the SW series, in their infinite wisdom, they have changed the sizes of the bodies.
A 10,000 FA (or any other Shimano 10,000 series pre-2009) now equates equates to a 18,000 SW. Side by side the two are close to identical (both in body and in spool dimensions).
The new 10,000 SW are much smaller - and the recommendations to me from Fish Head was to go for the 18,000.
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Sorry - while the 18000SW and the 10000FA may be similar in dimensions, they are by no means similar in spool capacity. Shimano listened to feedback over a number of years and when they released the 18000, they extended its spool capacity to being line ball to the Daiwa 6500 spool. Previous to this, they already had released the 16000 spool as well as special products from Yumeya, both of which had larger spool capacities than the 10000FA.
The new 08 10000 has been downsized but has roughly the same spool capacity as the old 10000FA.
I personally find the new 10000 to be an ideal size for a stickbait reel and the extended capacity in the after market spools is a real bonus
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I personally find the new 10000 to be an ideal size for a stickbait reel and the extended capacity in the after market spools is a real bonus
Wow, there is a higher capacity spool then the standard 10k SW for that body? I want one bad!
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I was kind of hoping Yumeya would have come to the 16000 party by now with an upgrade for the SW10K, which is a mighty reel for it's size. I think I have missed out on this SOM batch >:(
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Shimano have in the past been very good at identifying the gaps which are filled by Yumeya products. Hopefully, they'll see the opportunity here.
The No Limits spool isn't just a bigger spool - it has an improved drag on it. I love the 10000. Realistically, I think it is likely these will see more action in future than the 18000s which will probably become specific PE10 reels for me.
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Shimano have in the past been very good at identifying the gaps which are filled by Yumeya products. Hopefully, they'll see the opportunity here.
The No Limits spool isn't just a bigger spool - it has an improved drag on it. I love the 10000. Realistically, I think it is likely these will see more action in future than the 18000s which will probably become specific PE10 reels for me.
100% in agreement, my 10K saw more use than my 18K's om my last GT trip.
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I've since upgraded to a bigger spool in the 16000 No Limits spool from Studio Ocean Mark.
hi brandon ..
i have been looking around and saw that spool last week as i notice the different. so i would like to ask you what do you think of them ?? and also i would like to know who so many hole in them too .. so tell me the good and bad etc.
A upgrade yumeya 16000 spool max would be nice .. i can,t wait for them to come out.
another thing is that i am wondering if the shimano company are going to make A new spool for the stella FA model with propulsion line managemnt system upgrade ??? ???
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I've only had the SOM spool for one trip but there's a lot to like - extended capacity makes it a perfect PE8 reel and the drag is awesome.
On your question on whether Shimano would make a new spool for the FA series, have you ever seen any company bring out a product for a superseded model?!
In any event, the Yumeya 10000D and 16000D spools are very long casting spools if you can find them.
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Thanks for all the info guys! Sounds like if I could get a bigger after market spool the 10000SW would be the go!
Can any of the bigger SW spools fit the 10000?
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In a nutshell, no!
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Another thing to consider is your outfit's total balance.
If you plan to cast lures over 150g, I think you will be hard pressed to find a rod offering that is going to 'feel' and perform 'balanced' when it is paired to a smaller reel such as the 10k SW.
Conversely, the 10k SW is ideal for PE4 - 6 line classes, and PE8 if you have a MAX type spool. PE4 - PE6 rated rods will feel well balanced when paired up to this reel.
An important thing to consider.
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What about the heavier coral viper? 10000, 18000 or maverick?
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What about the heavier coral viper? 10000, 18000 or maverick?
I've used the Coral Viper CV79/40 PE6-8 with the 18K and 10K SW08 reels, when casting lures under 150gm which (which I prefer on this rod) to me it still feels good with either reel. It is a tip light rod and weighs around 385gm. If going over the 150gm lure weight then wiser to go with lukes advice on the bigger reel.
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I find the 10000 a great comination with the TBL711. I think it would also be excellent with either of the Coral Viper models.
Luke makes a good point though, I probably would go to an 18000 for 150g+ poppers
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Andy, and Brandon. Thanks for the advice.
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Thanks for all the brilliant info!
Am I right in saying, if I get the 10000SW, the only larger spools I could get are the ...
1. Yumeya 10000D or 16000D
2. 16000 No Limits spool from Studio Ocean Mark
Anyone got any clues as where to get these?
I see samuraitackle.com has the Yumeya 10000D for $262, the site, www.studio-oceanmark.com (http://www.studio-oceanmark.com) is in Japanese so I can't see if they have stock & price.
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You will find that the Yumeya spools do not fit the SW10K 08 model. On the FA older SW's only. No one can get a hold of the No Limits spool at the moment as their produced only very limited numbers last production run. The only spare spools at the moment are just the normal Stella spools, the Yumeya 12000 SW spool or normal SOM spools, which are basically the same as the original.
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Sunny has pretty much summed it up.
Studio Ocean Mark do make another 16000 spool outside of the No Limits spool but it doesn't have anything like the same drag.
I have not heard of a Yumeya 12000 spool for the 08 10000SW Stella though.
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It has the same specs as the original spool. Can be fitted to a SW Twinpower as well. I got excited when told of it, then gave up when I was told it had the same specs.
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I think the spool you are referring to is actually a Twinpower spool - but it does fit the Stella.
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Just did a quick search, definately a Stella spool
http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info/language/ja/products_id/10171/yumeya-stella-sw-12000-spool.html (http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info/language/ja/products_id/10171/yumeya-stella-sw-12000-spool.html)
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How much more does the No limits 16000 spool take then the standard spool-(50/405yards)
Say for example 50lb tuf line? (standard spool 50/405yards)
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How much more does the No limits 16000 spool take then the standard spool-(50/405yards)
Say for example 50lb tuf line? (standard spool 50/405yards)
Ocean mark custom spool 08SW16000-MB mat blue or red
Conformity type
08 steles SW10000XG/10000PG/8000HG/8000PG
09 twin powers SW12000HG/8000HG/8000PG
Drag MAX: 15kg
Bobbin winder capacity: PE4 number - 450m and PE5 number - 380m and PE6 number - 300m and PE8 number - 250m
hope this help,s
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Thanks mick
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acknowledged - you're certainly right on this but something about the details of the spools don't make sense. Considering Shimano claim 23kg for the standard 10000 spool, why does a Yumeya spool only generate 14kg? Also, why the same capacity?
Just did a quick search, definately a Stella spool
http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info/language/ja/products_id/10171/yumeya-stella-sw-12000-spool.html (http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info/language/ja/products_id/10171/yumeya-stella-sw-12000-spool.html)
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thanks for this, Mick
I'll point out this is not the No Limits spools but the other spool from SOM I was referring to.
How much more does the No limits 16000 spool take then the standard spool-(50/405yards)
Say for example 50lb tuf line? (standard spool 50/405yards)
Ocean mark custom spool 08SW16000-MB mat blue or red
Conformity type
08 steles SW10000XG/10000PG/8000HG/8000PG
09 twin powers SW12000HG/8000HG/8000PG
Drag MAX: 15kg
Bobbin winder capacity: PE4 number - 450m and PE5 number - 380m and PE6 number - 300m and PE8 number - 250m
hope this help,s
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The claims of 23kg of drag are bullsh!t if you ask me. You have to basically have to fish it locked all the time to get any decent drag out of it. The 14kg drag seems more on the ball for the normal spool.
It had me scratching my head about why market a spool with exactly the same specs as the original as well (apart from the max drag setting), me thinks Shimano/Yumeya are just trying to market a more 'bling' spool to slap a bit more GT tax on.
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But the price on it is pretty lineball to a standard 10000 spool!
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So for the less experienced amongst us ;D, if i was to buy the current 10k stella tomorrow with the intention to fish PE8 on it, would the stock original spool be satisfactory? If not which spool would be? and how would one be purchased?
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Ooops.. I didn't even think about looking at the prices.. sorry!
Geoff, the stock spool would be fine to fish PE8 with. Its just the added line capacity and that tad more drag which would make it close to being perfect!
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That pretty much sums it up!
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Hi Brandon ,
Since I haven't got the latest SW10000 ( my old '98 STL10000 still works ) , please check if this Yumeya spool has Twin Disc drag system like the previous 8000FA model n if it does not then in order to increase the line capacity , the arbor must be made smaller in diameter and this will necesitate the use of smaller diameter drag washers which translate into much smaller drag area hence the decrease in max. drag figure .
Jon .
acknowledged - you're certainly right on this but something about the details of the spools don't make sense. Considering Shimano claim 23kg for the standard 10000 spool, why does a Yumeya spool only generate 14kg? Also, why the same capacity?
Just did a quick search, definately a Stella spool
http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info/language/ja/products_id/10171/yumeya-stella-sw-12000-spool.html (http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info/language/ja/products_id/10171/yumeya-stella-sw-12000-spool.html)
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Jon, the stock 10000 SW does not run the twin drag system as well, only the 18 & 20000 do. So I'm presuming that the Yumeya is probably the same.
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From the Australian Shimano site, http://www.shimanofish.com.au/publish/content/global_fish/en/au/index/products/reels/saltwater_spinning/Stella_FA.html (http://www.shimanofish.com.au/publish/content/global_fish/en/au/index/products/reels/saltwater_spinning/Stella_FA.html)
Model Retrieve Ratio Retrieve per Crank (cm) Max Drag (Kg) Line Capacity (m) Bearings Weight (g)
STL10000SW 5.8:1 119 23 5/457, 7/292, 9/201 15 638
Are these line capacity figures in PE & meters?
I am looking to use 60lb braid, so with the standard 10000SW (aussie) spool, how many meters can I get on?
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From the Australian Shimano site, http://www.shimanofish.com.au/publish/content/global_fish/en/au/index/products/reels/saltwater_spinning/Stella_FA.html (http://www.shimanofish.com.au/publish/content/global_fish/en/au/index/products/reels/saltwater_spinning/Stella_FA.html)
Model Retrieve Ratio Retrieve per Crank (cm) Max Drag (Kg) Line Capacity (m) Bearings Weight (g)
STL10000SW 5.8:1 119 23 5/457, 7/292, 9/201 15 638
Are these line capacity figures in PE & meters?
I am looking to use 60lb braid, so with the standard 10000SW (aussie) spool, how many meters can I get on?
Monofilament/Metres...
As a guide you will get 200 metres + of 60lb braid based on a diameter of 0.016 of an inch.
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Does anyone have a chart to convert PE to lb braid?
Or is it not that simple?
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no, it's not that simple. As a rough guide, PE6 converts to 80lb, PE8 to 100lb, PE10 to 130lb etc. The big problem here though is the extent to which some lines overtest and others do not. For example, Varivas PE6 which is around 80lb may test around 80lb but TF XP 80lb may test at 100lb (this is only intended as an example)
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As Brandon said it's very difficult to give a generic correlation as different companies state/measure their pound/kilo rating differently.
PE rating would have some sort of correlation to true test rating but i'm not sure if anyone has done the work. But even if they did do the work there would be some variance based on quality and style of line.