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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: David Noble on December 17, 2007, 08:25:17 PM
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1 month out from Fiji and I'm pondering this..
I've got 2 main outfits ready to go (50lb and 80lb), but can take a 3rd also.
I've decided to bring along my Nitro Godzilla rod for inshore lagoon stuff, so casting small / mid poppers, metals etc for bluefin trevally, coral trout, mackerel etc.
2 reels I own which could do the job (sort of ::)) are the Daiwa BG60 or Shimano TSS4, will run 20lb or 30lb braid ONLY on this outfit.
Any suggestion please? Which one would win the fight between these two reels ;)
I reckon whichever one will need a drag upgrade to be on the safe side.
Thanks Dave
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David, if you're only looking to run 20 - 30lb braid, I wouldn't be too concerned at all. As you know, conventional wisdom is to set the drag at some 1/4 to 1/3 the breaking strain. If its 30lb, that's 7.5lb to 10lb which translates to between 3 - 5kg of drag. If the reels can manage that,. they should be fine.
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Dave, both those reels have bad oscillation (line lay) systems, and bad line rollers, which together or separately will give you grief with braid. For use with braid, they're both 'F' Grade reels! I think you would find either of them more trouble than they're worth.
You could just get say an Okuma Salina 55, which will all work 100% as is (no need for drag upgrades either) - or a Pflueger Lithium or a Daiwa CY - and have no problems. Reel and line would be say $200, which you could recover most of by selling those other two reels.
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Listen to Hal - he would know far better than me with these reels!
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Thanks Brandon and Hal, I know what you mean as far as awful line lay. I will definitely have a look at those reels.. Any suggestion which one might be the most kayak friendly of the ones you listed? I spend heaps of time locally fishing open water so gear needs to cope with that also.
Cheers Dave
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Thanks Brandon and Hal, I know what you mean as far as awful line lay. I will definitely have a look at those reels.. Any suggestion which one might be the most kayak friendly of the ones you listed? I spend heaps of time locally fishing open water so gear needs to cope with that also.
Cheers Dave
Forget both of them Dave - if you can spare an extra $100.00 go get a new Stradic 6000 or 8000 - all the new enhancements, they are awesome!
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Even the sustain 6000 or a spheros
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gees David - at the rate we're going, I might as well just suggest you buy a Stella!! :D
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gees David - at the rate we're going, I might as well just suggest you buy a Stella!! :D
Yeah it's a snowball effect. ;)
Look, I like to buy the best gear as much as anyone. I have stoked up from virtually no GT gear to a big investment (for me) for this trip. Seeing I couldn't get anyone to come along, I'm going alone and chartering everything solo, so a few Japanese lures and another decent reel, may (will) mean be the cost of a charter for a day. Although I understand the resort skippers may be a tad flexible and forgiving, the charter costs are going to the bulk of my $'s spent and I have to budget.
My Daiwa BG60 did dissapoint last time and needs replacing, and I think it is worth taking the Nitro for the lagoons etc . I'll see what Santa brings or the post Xmas sales, so maybe even Sphero's or Sustain ::)
Main thing is get out there and enjoy it to its fullest.
Anyway, gotta go...I have some weights to lift... :-\
Cheers Dave
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The Okuma Salina would be the one with the best line lay system. It has plenty of warranty but with yak use there's no substitute for keeping everything running in grease and oil.
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The Okuma Salina would be the one with the best line lay system.
Okaaaaaay...excuse me while I scoff at that comment ::)
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Unable to resist replying.
How far will this thread degenerate?
Stradic would set you back around $300 and Spheros around $200, nothing like stella prices. Buy one of these.
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Buy Stella and you need not have to think of upgrading , just go fishing .
Jon .
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how about a twinpower ??? ??? that is the half price of the stella ... if you want it cheap then twinpower it can have 15kg drag ... will do the job but i like the stella better ;) ...
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The Okuma Salina would be the one with the best line lay system. It has plenty of warranty but with yak use there's no substitute for keeping everything running in grease and oil.
The Okuma will need plenty of waranty.
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Forget both of them Dave - if you can spare an extra $100.00 go get a new Stradic 6000 or 8000 - all the new enhancements, they are awesome!
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Don't know how much are enhancements and how much is cleaver marketing - but I hope the plastic / graphite / fibre rotors have less flex than my JDM Twinpower 6000PG (don't even compare this with what passes for "Twinpowers" sold in OZ) as the flex was so great @ 10kg drag that the rotor nearly touches the spool! Lets hope that is fixed with the new enhancements.
Food for thought,
Cameron
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10kg is alot to ask out of a TP 6000
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not go for stradic .... let the picture do the talking ::) ::)
he has broken two them so far ...
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THIS THE 2ND REEL .... :o::)
that is why i think the twinpower i better ... or go for the caprciorn 4500j ....
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Japanese spec has the Max drag for the Twinpower 6000PG @ 15kg and the Regular Use dtag @ 9kg - so I don't think that 10kg drag should be pushing it too much - but the flex in the rotor makes me nervous - can't be great for the line lay either I wouldn't have thought. That what you get for trying to buy a half price Stella. As stated domestic Twinpower does not compare with the JDM as far as construction is concerned - look at the schematics - more in common with Stella including gears, but the weak point is the rotor flex. Next reel will have a metal rotor!
Cheers,
Cameron
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David doesn't need a reel for this trip anymore
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sorted go get em.
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THIS THE 2ND REEL .... :o::)
that is why i think the twinpower i better ... or go for the caprciorn 4500j ....
Mick did shimano warranty any off this?
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This all seems just a little Shimano orientated surely there are other reels you guys use that would do the job??????
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All right, seeing I mentioned a Stella previously, I'll suggest a 4000 sized hyper-Certate now :D
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Im using a daiwa catalina at the moment and love it(except that I got drilled by a king the other day using it and had no hope of stopping it).
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Andrew, if the king is big enough, it won't matter what reel you use!
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I know, but the fight might have last a few more seconds on the dogfighter combo instead.....
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Just got me a catalina 4500h with pe4 on it , can't wait to blood it ;D
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Dave....you have a rod already, that is capable to 50lb, sell both your BG and TSS4 and get either the Shimano Spheros 14000 or the Salina 80 which I have seen quite a few used on charter boats for jigging and they're going as strong as the Spheros. As for the loooong warranty, I doubt you 'll need it. Otherwise $200-$500 you have quite a few choices.
Shimano Spheros, Twinpower 6000 or the JDM Twinpower 8000PG/HG, the new FE Sustain with technologies based on the new FD Stella, Daiwa Capricorn 4500J is not bad. I have a friend with the Capricorn and the same rod and he did well on GTs to about 15kg... My suggestion is not to buy too many expensive Jap lures and use the money to get a good strong combo, then look at all the other cheaper lures that will probably work just as well. Alternatively you can look for 2nd hand reels.
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Thanks to all for your help and suggestions.
I no longer have a dilemma about reel choice thanks to the most generous of offers to borrow a reel up to the task. Thanks to Brandon for all your time, assistance and generosity...
Now instead being stuck for choice, I am spoiled for choice ;D
REALLY looking forward to this trip....
Regards Dave
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Saw the results of a Spheros verus a shark on another forum and the results of the Spheros now needing to be fixed i personally wouldn't want to tangle with anything half decent for those who haven't seen it the drag cover is now melted into the first two drag washers it did have the carbontex upgrade in it
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Hi Brad, I saw the pics of that reel & it really does emphasise the need to buy quality high end gear for what we do, sure you will allways get the argument that X reel is nearly as good as Y reel at 1/3 the cost, but can you put a cost on losing that fish of a lifetime ???
Cheers Chris
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Guys,
We are talking about running 20/30lb braided lines here, not sambo jigging drags or XOS shark fishing. Let's stay on track ;)
As numerous members have pointed out, there are many options available from a variety of manufacturers. If you hook-up to a fish of a life-time on 30lb you are just plain unlucky!
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Point taken Luke ;), so easy to get off track when talking tackle, I get blinded by bling :o, must have more bling ::) ::)
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I like bling too!
The new Stellas have serious bling although I wish they had gone with a knob on the handle with more bling. The other reel with amazing bling is that Daiwa Morethan Branzino - same complaint about the knob though.
I think the issue with that Spheros goes to prove that while you can upgrade a reel, there is no substitute for the reels that are purpose built to handle that kind of abuse. That is of course easy to say as not everyone wants to outlay a grand on a spinning reel
David - hope you have a great trip. Some nice piccies for us all, please ;D
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Brandon,
Couldn't resist grabbing a new FD ;)? Which one did you get?
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Luke, I haven't gotten one yet. I was going to get a 3000 or 4000 but for lighter fishing, I've always been a baitcaster man. The baitcasters covers most of my fishing applications and with the worked drags, my Calcutta Conquests are pulling 7kg which is plenty for fishing 20 - 30lb line.
The only problem is when casting a metal slug through tuna, the baitcaster is useless. You can't reel fast enough even with a DC7 Antares!
I will get a spinning reel around the 3000 size - just trying to make up my mind between two reels at the moment. Also will end up getting a 1000 for (gasp!) bream, I think.
Brandon,
Couldn't resist grabbing a new FD ;)? Which one did you get?
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BREAM ???
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I can't fish for GTs all the time - they're not very prevalent around Sydney Harbour :'(