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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Travis Heaps on November 27, 2009, 06:47:29 PM
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These have been around for a little while in the guise of Ocean Revolution branded pliers, they were pretty pricey - somewhere around the $120US mark I think?
Anyway I was wandering the local tackle store (australia wide franchise that sell some very ordinairy poppers) and came across the same plier branded as Black Magic. Picked them up for $90 after discount, listed at $99. Expensive but seemed ok compared to getting a pair from the states. I first saw them on a trip with Mick - they really are great compared to the Owners I currently use. Aluminium construction, replaceable tungsten cutting blade (easily cuts braid) large and smaller split ring pliers, replaceable jaw - pretty nifty really.
Only gripe would be the casting on the jaw is a little bit pockholed, on the unfinished surface - hopefully the cast integrity os ok though, time will tell.
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hi Travis.
just a question if it is ok and with-out being rude,
i have thought about getting that pair myself to, what are they like in opening up 300lb Decoy split rings?
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Made in China, funny you posted this today, I have an OR branded set. The metal in the jaws is very soft I bent them wide open today admittedly not opening a split ring just bending some wire on a lure, I thought they would be stronger than that!!
I still get deformation on Owner 11H using these piers.
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Made in China, funny you posted this today, I have an OR branded set. The metal in the jaws is very soft I bent them wide open today admittedly not opening a split ring just bending some wire on a lure, I thought they would be stronger than that!!
I still get deformation on Owner 11H using these piers.
Hi Andy ,
Is this the same plier Gus uses on our trip ?
Jon .
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I'm pretty happy with my pair. They open split rings and cut braid and mono and take barbs off nicely - I would be careful doing anything other than these activities with them though...they could go out of shape. They do seem to be pretty rust/corrosion resistant and don't seize up.
For what its worth the owner pliers are pretty much as good (don't cut as cleanly) and seem to be a tougher unit.....but they can rust up/seize up ater a couple of days on the salt unless cleaned and oiled.
Cheers Dave
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I have the OR pliers, Owner Pliers, Daiwa Pliers and Accurate as well. So far I think the best on size 10 split rings and up are the Owners, with the OR pliers a close second. On sizes smaller I tend to use the Daiwa pliers the most because they can get inside the ring better (maybe I should re-phrase this) they are smaller!! Again the OR pliers come a close second on the sizes down to 7. Forget about the Accurate pliers in the split ring format. They just don't work as good as the cheaper stuff.
If I am going on a trip I take the Owners and the OR pliers with me. Best of both worlds with a back up plan ;)
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I bought a pair of them black magic ones, after cutting braid for one session I took them back to the tacklo as they stopped cutting braid, thumbs down
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I've been using my OR ones for some time now. They're an excellent pair of split ring pliers. The jaws are about the same as the Owners and Duos. I've found the cutting jaws to be excellent as well. They cut everything including kevlar assist cord.
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I've been using my OR ones for some time now. They're an excellent pair of split ring pliers. The jaws are about the same as the Owners and Duos. I've found the cutting jaws to be excellent as well. They cut everything including kevlar assist cord.
Yeah I agree RE Ocean Revolution pliers.
Are these Black Magic ones the "same" plier as the OR ones (rebranded)? or is it a copy?
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Jay, from what I understand, the pliers are from the same factory. One of the hazards of getting things made in China, unfortunately.
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Jay, from what I understand, the pliers are from the same factory. One of the hazards of getting things made in China, unfortunately.
What I heard from many importer of Chinese goods , the factory can tailor made the quality of the products depending on the price the customer is willing to pay . :-[
Jon .
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Trevis .
you must have fell in love with my plier when i lent to him to do some cutting :D :D and he was surprised how good it was and i told him about about the black magic plier ;) as i think it was the same plier to me ::).
as i have the OR plier but the small problem i find with them is the screw is coming loose . so i think it need a lock screw glue to stop this from happening hope this will help few ppl who have the same problem as i have .
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Which screw Mick?
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Which screw Mick?
well it,s the big screw that hold,s the two part of the plier
not the cutter or tip screw .
as i notice that i had troble rigging up few time and i found out the main problem.
when i release it the plier . the screw lead,s to loosen
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Made in China, funny you posted this today, I have an OR branded set. The metal in the jaws is very soft I bent them wide open today admittedly not opening a split ring just bending some wire on a lure, I thought they would be stronger than that!!
I still get deformation on Owner 11H using these piers.
Hi Andy ,
Is this the same plier Gus uses on our trip ?
Jon .
Jon, Yes same plier, I just got mine through APS with the OR brand, personally I don't like them, IMO there are better tools for big rings. ;)
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Duncan used a pair up at Cooktown for 2 weeks and had no probs....
Brandon,
Which screw indeed!!
Aaron.
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I have a pair of the lack magic pliers, no problems so far, fingers crossed
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The design of these pliers is really good - something of a cross between the tips of a Duo with the cutting ability of a Fisherman. My only gripe is that the jaws are 'soft'. Apparently they are being improved, so I will wait for an update before I get one.
From my understanding, the APS, Black Magic, and a few more you might find in Singapore for much less all come from the same OEM factory. So if you shop around....
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Yeah
As has been mentioned I picked up an unbranded pair of the OR's in Bali for about $35 bucks for a trip to komodo and did really like them. I did get a chance to use Andy's Duel ones and they in my opinion are certainly a superior set of pliers in both construction and ease of use. I think I would go for them if I can get a pair once these aluminium jobbies wear out.
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Hi Gus ,
In my opinion , Duel plier is still the top choise , I have 2 pairs and one is still NIB , just incase I lost the one I am using now . That plier you picked up from Bali was not a bad deal for the money though .
Jeng was asking for you while I was in BKK , by the way OT here , give me details of your A/C number for me to remit the money I owed you , please .
Jon .
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Hey guys,
We have sourced these pliers for our local market here, and they seem to be really top quality and equally comparable, if not identical, to the OR's which we have, but I guess time will tell as we put them to work.
I've put my OR's to work pretty intensely, and they have been awesome... initially there were issues with corrosion on the braid cutting blade on the first batch, but these were replaced and upgraded on the second batch.
Will report back on any issues from our local guys down here on the new unbranded pliers and let you guys know if any issues crop up.
Cheers
Andre