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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Jon Li on August 24, 2010, 04:46:47 AM
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Guys ,
Check this : fuji new k serie.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loQvH25QVUk&feature=player_embedded#)
Jon . 8)
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Could've warned us about that muzak!
Interesting, glad there are some good reasons that a TKWSG 50J costs about $90US, probably what you need on a big popper rod!
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Great stuff, if they come in the big sizes and will help eliminate broken strippers I'm in.
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Hi guys,
Nice of you to post that Jon. I recently built an 8-14lb 7' spin stick using the single foot K- series guides. I can say with absolute confidence that these guides (although terribly ugly) are the best single foot guides i have used, full stop. I run two different line weights over this rod 8lb and 15lb and can happily say i have not had one problem at all with line hangups.
In saying this it is definatley recommended that you use the corect tip guide to match or else you will still get tip wrap.
I have also looked at the double foot version, but am a bit scetical on how heavier rod you would be able to use these on. Am soon to build a new P.E 5 stick and am probably going to bite the bullet and put them on to see how they handle a heap of pressure.
Anyone who reads this is probly going to say "who are you? and where did you crawl out from" but after a few more people start using these guides i am absolutely sure that they will become extremely popular, especially amongst lighter line fishos.
Just my two cents. Dave.
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The demo is impressive and compelling. It would be good to find out if these K guides hold up with heavier PE lines.
As for the aesthetics, I agree with David that these are not exactly the most beautiful looking guides, but if the wind knot problem is solved, then I could live with that!
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I have the K-WSGs on one of my Carpenters now. I have found that wind knots are reduced to almost nothing. The only real negative is the lines really rattles through the guides and its very loud and quite unpleasant. I have only been using the rod for practice and I haven't tested it out on a trip yet. They certainly do not look as strong as the super ocean guides like the MNSG or ICMNSG but I expect they will be strong enough.
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Have a look at the new guides on the Ocean Tackle Int. Tuna Sniper 76XXH. It is a PE12 rod and I have yet to try it but the guides are pretty slick.
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I must have been 1 lucky angler to have experienced on a few occasions, wind knits on this K-guides!
It probably does help but not full proof.
I agree with Brandon totally about the noise part, it is really loud and it doesnt give the feeling or confidence that the line is going out smoothly and getting the optimum distance.
Personal view only.
:)
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Noise = Resistance ? :-[
Jon .
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id have to agree that they are noisy, but from what ive experienced you dont loose any casting distance, if you do it seems to be minimal. On a personal level, i reckon i could handle sacrificing a couple of metres distance for no hang ups.
If anyone has tested the double footers under a decent amount of pressure id love to hear how they went?
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Does anyone has any insights as to where the noise?
When i started trying it, I thought it was a case of misplaced guide positioning, but after a couple of guide position changes, the sound made it obvious it was from the guide design... just cant understand why... hoping for info.
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Hi Gu - I have been trying to work this out and I suspect (don't know for sure) that the line is slapping against the blank for some reason near the tip of the rod. It's a bit strange ........
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Just a guess but maybe the line is slapping against the blank after the first or second guide because of the guide angle., theoretically the line should follow the guide angle ???
The only way to truly avoid wind knots is to do Killer Goby cast's ;D
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you need the fish to be quite close though if you're going to start tossing Killer Gobys around
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Brandon, if you want to find where the noise is coming from just rub some wax on the blank before casting, the line slap will show up on the wax ;)
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IMO the noise you hear is the braid hitting the frame of the stripper guide before it enters the ring, i fished with a prototype popping stick that had K Guides and experienced the same thing.
If you want distance stick with MNSG frames
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I have the K-WSGs on one of my Carpenters now. I have found that wind knots are reduced to almost nothing. The only real negative is the lines really rattles through the guides and its very loud and quite unpleasant. I have only been using the rod for practice and I haven't tested it out on a trip yet. They certainly do not look as strong as the super ocean guides like the MNSG or ICMNSG but I expect they will be strong enough.
hey brandon ...
if you do not like this rod then maybe this will suit me for some reason ;D ;D :-X ::)
Jon ...
good find ... that,s interesting ..
now i am thinking of getting one for my g-loomis rod ;)..
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Good Idea Crusty. I'll try that.
I haven't noticed any discernible difference in distance between the K guides and the super ocean guides.
Thank you for the kind offer, Mick. I'll keep that in mind.
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hey Tom,
Im assuming the prototype rod you were using had double foot K-guides? What sort of stick was it and what line were you running? And how much distance do you think you were loosing realisticly?
Im curious cause i was looking at putting them on a P.E. 5 popping rod. The distance lost with the single footers i put on a lighter spin blank was minimal if any at all, but this of course is with much finer line.
Maybe also how long was the rod and how many guides.?
Id apreciate the info, thanks.
Dave.
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Hi Dave,
i too will be using the double foot K guides on these PE5 seeds. i have no doubt they will handle the drag and casting pressures at this weight. i am sceptical about using them on heavier stuff though. besides, in my experience with PE lines you are more prone to getting wind knots the lighter the line. i tried using PE 0.6 on my bass spin stuff and it was horrible!
i very rarely, if ever, suffer line issues on my lighter saltwater stuff (PE2 and PE3) with both rods using TYSG/TLSG guides. this i'm sure is a combination of many factors, including guide size and quantity, and spacing and position relative to spool (i build my personal rods to suit the reels) also i believe the reel has some influence, i only use stella SR and SW's, which appear to have superior line management.
i am hoping to build up some more rods using the single foot K guides to compare though, for my own piece of mind if nothing else
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yes double footed K guides
it was 8 feet long and was fishing PE10 varivas avani GT
With another 8 footer, from the same company. Although slightly stiffer in the tip i was loosing approx 10-20m on the cast using the new rod with K guides.
The lure i was throwing was a CSP S220S
you could see the loops of your braid hitting the slanted frame before going through the ring
I think a duel setup of MNSG and the K guides towards the tip would be a good combination
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Hi Tom,
that was my initial worry when seeing the K guides, the line hitting the frame first. being a rod builder i've done loads of test casting over the years and there is definite merit in reversing at least the stripper guide when you see line backing up against it on the cast. do you also think being stiffer in the tip compared the other rod contributed to the lack of distance?
i notice in the fuji clip they compare to the Y and S series guides, which have the older V style frame. i would've been interested to see them test frames like the M and L
to expand further on my experiences with wind knots, i found alot of the issues i had related to the bimini loop opening on the cast, wrapping around a frame. tying a very short bimini, or using none at all on lighter gear, eliminated that
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Hi Andrew,
Possibly a little to do with the slightly softer tip, but you can definetly notice the braid hitting the frame of the guide. The noise it makes is terrible!
I would hazard a guess with thinner line this wouldnt be an issue.
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many thanks again andrew and tom,
Id have to agree with your comments andrew, light line does certainly seem to get effected worse. I also had the same trouble with doubles hanging up as they would open on the cast, but found that shortening them definatley helped. I usually just fish single to single on the lighter gear now and have alot less probs. I do find though that i get some still when using light flouro carbon as leader as the line has a tendency to almost kink (right at the knot) after numerous casts and i fing it is worse then to use as it hangs up easier. I also feel that the way people cast has an effect. I know that it seems to happen alot more if your line release off your fingers isnt timed right, so that a little bit of line comes off the reel before the lure actually starts pulling it of.
Your right andrew its the seed im want to build with the new guides, guess i want to see if the double footers suit my fishing style, as i am definately impressed with the single footers (noise and ugliness aside).
I think maybe tom it might be the line thickness you were using, having a bigger surface of line hitting the guides may certainly be whats causing the distance problems. As i said in an earlier post, it doesnt seem to make any difference with very light line, but we all know that things can compound as you go up in size.. I cant wait to build this new stick so i can do my own comparisons. Thanks again guys for your comment..
Dave