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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Andrew Poulos on September 05, 2007, 08:44:16 AM
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Hi,
Im thinking of possibly a smaller reel to match to my rod (Dorado 80TN) than the penn 850ssm I currently use, just to help it out weight and balance wise. I was looking at a saltiga blast to run 15kg braid . How do these reels fare, and what other alternatives in that price range are there that will tolerate the same amount of drag.
Andrew
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Hi,
Im thinking of possibly a smaller reel to match to my rod (Dorado 80TN) than the penn 850ssm I currently use, just to help it out weight and balance wise. I was looking at a saltiga blast to run 15kg braid . How do these reels fare, and what other alternatives in that price range are there that will tolerate the same amount of drag.
Andrew
Have you considered an old model Stradic (or wait for the new one for that fact)? Going cheap with the new models coming out soon.
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I have a stradic 8000 at the moment thats my light spinning reel, but I dont know if it has the same drag capabilites as the saltiga or twinpowers to handle 15kg line....can they handle that ? I thought the metal was softer in the stradics and the reel I would be looking for would be used as the light soft plastics and smaller poppers etc for kings so it wouldnt be having an easy life.
The ones I thought might be suitable would be a twinpower (4000-6000) a hyper certate possibly?
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I have a stradic 8000 at the moment thats my light spinning reel, but I dont know if it has the same drag capabilites as the saltiga or twinpowers to handle 15kg line....can they handle that ? I thought the metal was softer in the stradics and the reel I would be looking for would be used as the light soft plastics and smaller poppers etc for kings so it wouldnt be having an easy life.
The ones I thought might be suitable would be a twinpower (4000-6000) a hyper certate possibly?
The Stradic 8000 can output 24lbs of drag pressure - more than adequate for 30lb line. I haven't put the hurt on with that much pressure but it is more than capable of fishing 30lb to what i would call effectively.
Can't help you on the metal - i look after mine and don't use it on the rocks. Some Stradics do have magnesium parts which is known to be a 'softer' metal, however, i'm pretty sure the old standard Stradic has a cold-corged Aluminum spool. The price is pretty low at the moment, so you could probably buy two for the price of a TwinPower!
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A Mart = Stadics at $169 with spare spool ;D
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The new stradics dont look anywhere near as nice as my light blue model. At $239 or so , pretty good deals but I did think (maybe wrongly) the gearing(or something) was a softer metal that wouldnt stand up to slugfests over time. That said, my stradic has served me well but mainly on light fish like salmon, bonnies and rat kings etc and not with the drag screwed down.Im pretty careful with my reels and most dont get smashed around on the rocks with the exception of my poor torium. From what I have read , the japanese twinpowers are different to the versions we have here as well, with the o/s version preferred.
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$169 :o...which model ?
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Haven't used the JDM models of the TwinPower but i think they are older than our (Austalian available) TwinPower models.
To be honest Andrew, gear failure on these calibre of reels is few and far between in my experience and only evident after years of use - irrespective of brand.
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All models I presume, they want to run out the stock.
Decisions, decisions, the money saver or the class :-\, my poor Stradic 6000 hasn't been used since I got a Twinpower.
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Greg - which model twinpower did you get? How do you compare it to the stradic? I might have to give them a call tomorrow.
Luke, not sure if the JDM version is older but did believe it was higher spec'ed in some ways. My reels have a hard time as they do get drenched quite a bit, but they are also painstakingly cleaned and serviced as well. I haven't had any of my nice gear fail at all. Just the crappy $40 reels for squidding and bait catching have seized.
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Greg - which model twinpower did you get? How do you compare it to the stradic? I might have to give them a call tomorrow.
Luke, not sure if the JDM version is older but did believe it was higher spec'ed in some ways. My reels have a hard time as they do get drenched quite a bit, but they are also painstakingly cleaned and serviced as well. I haven't had any of my nice gear fail at all. Just the crappy $40 reels for squidding and bait catching have seized.
Yeah, all/most JDM reels do have higher specs - just a lot more demand for better performance in Japan - hell if 99% of anglers could tell the difference between that and standard though ;). The problem is that 95% of Australian anglers don't need them that's whay that aren't really seen here.
Try giving Neil a call - he may be able to beat that price too.
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Andrew, I have the TW 2500 and 4000 for the 2-6kg fishing, and a 6000 for 8-15kg, the 6000 is fair bit smoother than the Stradie 6000 which it should be. When they first came out a local fishing guru, and a Shimano rep, and a couple of us fisho's were comparing them with a Sustain, unanimous decision was the Twin power felt smoother and more 'solid'.
The Stradics are what an other brand fans call 'old technology' on an other forum ::), a Luke ;D ;)
PS:The new Stradics and Sustains coming out have definitely been beefed up inside.
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Andrew, I have the TW 2500 and 4000 for the 2-6kg fishing, and a 6000 for 8-15kg, the 6000 is fair bit smoother than the Stradie 6000 which it should be. When they first came out a local fishing guru, and a Shimano rep, and a couple of us fisho's were comparing them with a Sustain, unanimous decision was the Twin power felt smoother and more 'solid'.
The Stradics are what an other brand fans call 'old technology' on an other forum ::), a Luke ;D ;)
PS:The new Stradics and Sustains coming out have definitely been beefed up inside.
Yeah, know what you mean Greg ;)
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Luke - is that right? The Japanese tend to ensure that their JDM models are the best and most up to date for obvious reasons - 2nd biggest market in the world and their home market.
Haven't used the JDM models of the TwinPower but i think they are older than our (Austalian available) TwinPower models.
To be honest Andrew, gear failure on these calibre of reels is few and far between in my experience and only evident after years of use - irrespective of brand.
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Luke - is that right? The Japanese tend to ensure that their JDM models are the best and most up to date for obvious reasons - 2nd biggest market in the world and their home market.
I'm not saying that the JDM isn't better - i'm pretty sure that there hasn't been a new release JDM model of the TwinPower for some time now, with our domestic version being newer.
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Andrew - my pick would be a stella 8000, I have that combo exactly and it is sensational, beautifully balanced, and a joy to use all week. I spent a week chasing longtails in Onslow this year with it and it is a bit of a big gun for your average 20lb fish but a joy when we hit YFT and longtails 30-40lb. It is also a damn good popper rod for smaller poppers. The two guys I fished with had JDM Twinpowers one 6000 and one 8000 and I would buy them straight up over the stella given my time again. They did have to import them but you can get two for the price of one stella and they held up really well, best GT was 45lb on 30lb fins and the TP did not miss a beat - best value reel on the market(in Japan that is). Look around and you can get them to your home for sub $400
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Yes, but now we start to look at reels (Stella) that cost a lot more than what Andrew is budgeting for.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts about buying a JDM TwinPower over Stella. Price, performance etc.?
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I was trying to keep the price down on this reel so didnt look at the saltiga z range or stellas.There is a new saltiga blast coming out very soon as well I think so I might wait to see if that causes a price drop of the existing model (I doubt it though).
http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3835
I havent found a TP 5/6000 that I can land here for under $400 though.
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Luke - I can only go on what I saw over a week of abuse with them. One had a 6000pg on a hirasama 63 and that was the only outfit he bought and used it all day every day. His best Tuna went 35lb, cod to 40lb and a heap of trevally between 25 and 35lb. The thing still feels like new after the week. He fishes with me off perth most weeks as well and catches a heap of avg size sambo, YTK and bottom fish so it has held up really well. My other mate bought the 8000pg and had it on a PRo Blue and knocked over the 45lb GT, a heap of big bottom fish and plenty of Tuna and Goldens. BOth reels cast very well and got fewer wind knots then my stella 8000. Drags seemed to hold up as well. I have an aussie TP 4000 and they are like chalk and cheese. For the performance vs Money I would take the PG twinpower every time over the stella unless you were fishing really heavy drag, no doubt the stella is great but not at twice the price.
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Ebay - reelseller is where my mate got his from.
Type Twinpower, click worldwide and but it now for auctions.
Price was $374 AuD + postage - great value!
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I'm awlays interested to read of differences between the FAs and the PG/HGs. I have not been able to discern any difference outside of cosmetics ones in the case of the Stella
Simon - what exactly was the difference between the JDM HG and your Australian model?
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Brandon - this is in the Twinpower, I have both and Stella 8 and a Twinpower 4 that are both Oz models. The overseas twinpower from memory has 10 bearings and a bigger drag system than the oz version. From the very little amount of info on the Web I think that the Jap twinpower is only just below the stella, main difference being the stella has a beefed up drag. Certainly comparing the two there is not much difference except drag size.
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boy, if you could get a decent sized one of those, you wouldn't have to spend the money on a Stella
unfortunately, they don't go up to the 10000 size so it leaves little choice :(
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my thoughts as well, but on a rod like the saltiga 80tn or a lighter GT stick the 10000 size reels feel overly heavy and big and unless line capacity is a big issue then I cannot see why you would not get an 8000 size. I suspect that Shimano does this to keep the premium pricing on the stella in the bigger sizes. There is also so little info out there on the JDM twinpower which I think has led to people not knowing about them. They do not have the same "bling" factor as the Stella, but you can afford to destroy two of them for every stella you buy and from what I have seen with them that would be very hard to do.
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I used to use my dogfighter on the 80TN, and while it works, its not a balanced rig for flicking out sluggos or gars, hence the search the something smaller. I found those ebay shops and the prices look good. Would be nice to see an 8000 in person but most have up to 6000 here and thats it. If its the same size as my 8000 stradic it works out a good size. Im not sure if capacity will be an issue for me as the blast does hold more line. Most of my fishing is in close to the rocks so it shouldnt matter unless I hit a tuna.
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Andrew- 8000 is just a 6000 with a bigger spool - hence why I would grab it - same size as a stella 8000 if you want something to compare it with. The guy seems to be reliable, I have a good friend who has bought a couple of reels through him and had no problem. You will not be disappointed for the price.
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Cheers Simon. Wasnt sure if it was the same with twinpowers as stradics with the bodies the same size and just different spools. I have to wait a few more weeks before I get something, but its at the top of the list I think.
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Andrew,
I think what would really serve the purpose would be a Daiwa Catalina, which is available soon in high or standard gear ratios, $599 with a five-year Australian warranty unless you buy it overseas, in which case there is no warranty. It's the reel that is replacing the Blast and Saltist, and offers a higher spec including the waterproofness of the Z series.
Twinpower and the Stellas you're looking at are the only upmarket 2008 Shimanos that aren't getting all the upgrades - Paladin gear system, Propulsion line management system etc. So they're not exactly at the leading edge, unlike the new Sustain FEs, Stradic FIs, Stella FDs (up to 4000) and some others.
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Thanks Hal.
I heard about the Catalina , and saw a pic on the Plat site but wasnt sure about the pricing. At $600 is pushing the budget boundary a bit more than I wanted for this outfit unless I can get it from o/s as cheap as the current blasts. I had looked at the blasts originally as they can be picked up at quite good prices but will wait and see. I still need to take my rod with me to see if the blast sized reels balance nicely on the 80TN, or if the 6-8000 sized works out feeling nicer.
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Guys,
May be going to Japan anyone got any suggestions as to the best tackle stores to check out over there.
Regards Paul
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Guys,
May be going to Japan anyone got any suggestions as to the best tackle stores to check out over there.
Regards Paul
Without a doubt.....
http://www.proshopmogi.jp/
I think that Fisherman may also have a physical shop you can visit - if it's true i would be living there if i ever went to Japan :D
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Paul - it might be useful if we actually knew where in Japan you're going to. Mogi's shop is in Yokohama
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Luke,
Thanks.
Brandon,
Tokyo so Yokohama would not be a problem. Are you aware if they stock Carpenter rods?
Regards Paul
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Paul - Mogi is a Carpenter stockist but like anywhere else with Carpenter, I sincerely doubt you would find much stock available over the counter. I am sure you will find some stock but as to how much is available, that remains to be seen. If you're lucky, you'll have a shipment arrive just before you visit!
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Brandon,
I am 6'6" tall and would like to have a rod that is capable of casting a range of lure weights, I do not think I will get much of a chance to target monsters.
I have a Stella 10,000 what rod from the carpenter range would you recommend.
Appreciate your advice.
Regards Paul
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Paul .
SP78EX-H or even UHL and WV80XH series , for sure for such a tall guy with STL10000FA already .
Jon .
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Paul - what fish are you thinking of targeting and line weight were you intending to use? If you're looking for big GTs, Jon's recommendations are exactly what you want. He is our resident expert on Carpenter.
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Haven't used the JDM models of the TwinPower but i think they are older than our (Austalian available) TwinPower models.
I tend to agree with this. I picked up a Twinpower 2500 from Japan and it misses out on the Stella style handle and drilled spool found on the Aussie model (though mine may be an older model). Still a sweet reel though.
steve