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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Steve Li on December 30, 2011, 06:34:40 AM
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Hi
Would like to seek some feedback from guys who have used either the Daiwa Saltist or Seagate 4500H. Thinking of adding a couple of less expensive reels to supplement the top end Saltigas and Stellas. Looking to use them to pair with a PE6 stick bait rod casting 80gm to 100gm stick baits / swim baits.
Do you think they (the reel) can do the job? i have a Seagate 4500H which I have upgraded the drag to carbontex. Wondering whether to get a couple more. Definitely not expecting it to tame anything over 20kg on a regular basis. Thanks!
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I have a seagate 3500 H and it has tamed some pretty respectable fish. It's nailed a 25 kilo GT plus this big Groper that took 45 minutes to get back to the beach. I had to apply some pretty heavy drag to stop it spooling me! The 4500 would do the job although I would not put PE 6 on it. I reckon it's a 50lb max reel so I guess PE4, at a stretch PE 5.
Groper from the beach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN10d8WuUOk#)
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I have a seagate 3500 H and it has tamed some pretty respectable fish. It's nailed a 25 kilo GT plus this big Groper that took 45 minutes to get back to the beach. I had to apply some pretty heavy drag to stop it spooling me! The 4500 would do the job although I would not put PE 6 on it. I reckon it's a 50lb max reel so I guess PE4, at a stretch PE 5.
Groper from the beach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN10d8WuUOk#)
25kg with the 3500????? Wow!!! :o
Any signs of gearing problems after putting it thru such punishment? Am planning to use the 4500H for regular GT hunting. So durability is important..... I know I have to manage my expectations for a reel in that price range tho. Definitely not expecting it to hold out as well as a Saltiga or Stella.
All feedback from user of the reel is much appreciated. :D
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No signs of any issues yet. It was only one GT though. Difficult to say how long it would last when used all the time for that type of work. The Catalina 4500H are going pretty cheap right now if there are any left. That is a far better reel in the Daiwa stables.
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I had a seagate 3500h and would never bvuy one again, it flogged out after one exmouth trip and I replaced it with a twinpower 5k.
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I had a seagate 3500h and would never bvuy one again, it flogged out after one exmouth trip and I replaced it with a twinpower 5k.
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What really happened? Quite surprised that you used such a small reel at Exmouth. Was it punished hard???
Am sure the Twinpower will outperform a Seagate, its almost 3 times the price too! ;D
I am looking for something one or two levels below the Saltiga but there aren't any available in the new range.... :(
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What really happened? Quite surprised that you used such a small reel at Exmouth. Was it punished hard???
Not really, some gulf tuna, cobia, spanglies etc, and casting too not jigging so no heavy weights. The oscillator gear got very noisy and it developed lots of slack, so I suspect main gear wear.
Am sure the Twinpower will outperform a Seagate, its almost 3 times the price too! ;D
Sure, but you only have to buy it once!
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I had a seagate 3500h and would never bvuy one again, it flogged out after one exmouth trip and I replaced it with a twinpower 5k.
Exactly the same issues with 3500H I bought. In addition, the external plastic line roller cover on the bail arm split from the screw vertically to the top of the plastic piece twice. I live near Daiwa HQ and when I took it back there they replaced it immediately free of charge - good service. And, the same sloppy feel and grindy noise is now present - main gears I suspect. It has been relegated to the visitors spin reel...and I too replaced it with a Twinpower 5000, should've done this to start with. Mine was ~9mths old and used every weekend at least spinning for small pelagics. Must say though, I have just bought a Certate 3012 hi-speed for small speedsters and am very impressed to date - I know, different reel class...
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My friend recently broke the main gear shaft in his Saltist 5000 on a 20kg GT, his txt to me was "Saltist 8, GT 1" - he had caught 8 GTs up to about 25kg over the last 4 months on it, and managed to break it while fishing a max drag of about 8kg, with 65lb braid and 120lb leaders.
He has since upgraded to a Saltiga 6500 but it will be solely aimed at GT popping. I think the Saltist was good for general purpose fishing targetting mid-sized fish but if you are consistently pushing a mid-range reel with 20kg + GTs then something probably has to give.
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No signs of any issues yet. It was only one GT though. Difficult to say how long it would last when used all the time for that type of work. The Catalina 4500H are going pretty cheap right now if there are any left. That is a far better reel in the Daiwa stables.
Catalinas are a very capable reel, I own a 4500 and a 6500 and they smash serious fish! best part of a saltiga minus a few bearings etc, built in japan, nice reels!
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My friend recently broke the main gear shaft in his Saltist 5000 on a 20kg GT, his txt to me was "Saltist 8, GT 1" - he had caught 8 GTs up to about 25kg over the last 4 months on it, and managed to break it while fishing a max drag of about 8kg, with 65lb braid and 120lb leaders.
He has since upgraded to a Saltiga 6500 but it will be solely aimed at GT popping. I think the Saltist was good for general purpose fishing targetting mid-sized fish but if you are consistently pushing a mid-range reel with 20kg + GTs then something probably has to give.
Hi Andrew, thanks for the input. Yeah, I'll still rely on my Saltigas as front line tackle. Was just thinking of an additional reel that don't cost a bomb to add to the arsenal. Wanna use it to pair a light PE6 stick bait rod casting 80gm to 100gm stick baits.
I can expect it not to last and perform at the same level of the Saltigas and Stellas, but also hoping it doesn't fall apart after just a couple of trips )or fish for the matter)...... :D
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No signs of any issues yet. It was only one GT though. Difficult to say how long it would last when used all the time for that type of work. The Catalina 4500H are going pretty cheap right now if there are any left. That is a far better reel in the Daiwa stables.
Catalinas are a very capable reel, I own a 4500 and a 6500 and they smash serious fish! best part of a saltiga minus a few bearings etc, built in japan, nice reels!
Hi Ben
I've owned a Catalina 4500H before but have since sold it. They are very decent reels and would love to get one again. But aside from lesser bearings than a Saltiga, think they are not equipped with the "hyper gears" too.
Sad thing is, you won't find them being stocked at Singapore tackle shops anymore....... Just hoping that Daiwa will release a second line from the new Saltigas.
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Why not have a look on a Saltiga 4500 Blast not to far from the Seagate in price. I got mine for under 400$ on E-bay.
Its a "budget" saltiga with fewer bearings and simpler design but basically the same reel.
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Why not have a look on a Saltiga 4500 Blast not to far from the Seagate in price. I got mine for under 400$ on E-bay.
Its a "budget" saltiga with fewer bearings and simpler design but basically the same reel.
But it doesn't come with a Hi-gear model......... :(
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True but 5,1:1 is better than 4,9:1 as on the 4500Z ;)
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True but 5,1:1 is better than 4,9:1 as on the 4500Z ;)
You just got me thinking....... arrrrgh!!!! The Blast has got 98cm per retrieve compared to 110cm on a 4500H. Do you reckon the shorter line retrieval rate will make any significant difference in working stick baits or poppers??? :)
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Im probably not the best person to give you an answer on this one since I never fished for GT:s. I use mine mostly for softbaits but sometimes I throw smaller poppers and stickbaits after coldwater species here in Norway and dont have any problems with that. But I know there is guys that use low gear reels (jigging reels) for popping even if its not the best solution. This reel is some where in the middle since the Hg version is 5,7:1 and the Pg is 4,9:1 so its definetly a better option than the Pg but ofcourse not the optimal choice. I would rather sacrifice a bit speed than quality if you ask me. You can always wind a bit faster if you need but its hard to wind at all with a broken reel.... ;)
P.s. if you look in the partslist of a regular 4500 you can replace some of the missing bearings were they use nylon bushings so you come even closer in quality with the fullblood Saltiga.
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Hi guys, Has anyone had any experience with the 6500 saltist?
Robbo
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Hi guys, Has anyone had any experience with the 6500 saltist?
i've hooked some big kings on mine but haven't used it since i bought a stella... my mate recently landed a 24kg king on one landbased on a popper (80lb braid) and other mates have landed 120kg black marlin off theirs from the boat.... he said using a saltist on a marlin absolutely killed him though! 1/4 of a turn of the handle each time...
from what I've seen they seem ok (not sure how they will be in the long run though)
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Thanks Gavin,
I dont have the coin to gear up with stellas and saltigas for my first trip, so i was thinking that the 6500 saltist could be a great option, considering its only $280. I know its not going to last a lifetime but i think it will do for now.
(sorry for hijacking the thread).
Robbo
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Thanks Gavin,
I dont have the coin to gear up with stellas and saltigas for my first trip, so i was thinking that the 6500 saltist could be a great option, considering its only $280. I know its not going to last a lifetime but i think it will do for now.
(sorry for hijacking the thread).
Robbo
When and where are you gonna fish?? Would like to hear about how the reel performed...... ;)
Anyone fished with either the Saltist (4500H/6500H) or Seagate (4500H) over a prolonged period???? Very keen to find out about its shields, gears and drag after some use. Did they do justice for their price??? ;D
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When and where are you gonna fish?? Would like to hear about how the reel performed......
Anyone fished with either the Saltist (4500H/6500H) or Seagate (4500H) over a prolonged period? Very keen to find out about its shields, gears and drag after some use. Did they do justice for their price???
lol - what are you trying to say john? ;D EDIT: john?? where did i get john from? I meant Steve!!! sorry... fished this morning before work - only had 2hrs sleep
Ryan,
what kind of charter are you thinking of going on? I've never been on one but it sounds like some of these operators in the more remote areas can get you more hookups on trophy fish in one day than you could in a lifetime... if your budget can stretch to a second hand stella, saltiga or twinpower you'd probably feel more confident
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I don't own a Saltist myself, but on a recent trip to Panama that I arranged five of the guys in my group used 6500s that they bought for the trip. They did not want to spend more as they might not do any more popping for years (not much use for Stellas or Saltigas in our local swedish waters:-( Their reels all performed well for the seven days we fished hard. The guys caught roosterfish to 35 kilos, cuberas to about the same size, yellowfin to about 25 kg, sailfish to 60 kg and bull shark around 65 kg. They fought and lost some very big sharks that made very long runs on maybe 12 kilos drag. All the guys fished with 80 lb Tufline and none of them had any problems with their Saltists. I have no idea about durability but as a budget option for the odd trip they seem ok.
Jonas
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Gavin,
Im going to fiji and am going to do 3, maybe 4 day trips out of mango bay in early may. Its going to be my first designated GT trip, with a bit of jigging thrown in. Ive caught GTs before but that was several years ago on some trips i did to seisa, cape york.
Thanks for the info Jonas, thats exactly what i wanted to hear.
Robbo
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I don't own a Saltist myself, but on a recent trip to Panama that I arranged five of the guys in my group used 6500s that they bought for the trip. They did not want to spend more as they might not do any more popping for years (not much use for Stellas or Saltigas in our local swedish waters:-( Their reels all performed well for the seven days we fished hard. The guys caught roosterfish to 35 kilos, cuberas to about the same size, yellowfin to about 25 kg, sailfish to 60 kg and bull shark around 65 kg. They fought and lost some very big sharks that made very long runs on maybe 12 kilos drag. All the guys fished with 80 lb Tufline and none of them had any problems with their Saltists. I have no idea about durability but as a budget option for the odd trip they seem ok.
Jonas
Yeah thanks Jonas! I feel more confident and convinced after hearing that! They will be added to my arsenal...... :D