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Title: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Ben Thomson on September 03, 2013, 10:03:57 AM
Hey gents,
Can anyone explain to me what the letters mean that  follow the rod lengths and lift weights are in the EP range??

90/37-ICBM means ?

Also the EP 86/40R-P1

 And EP 810/42R-P1-ICBM

???

Cheers,
Ben.
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Joseph Ngan on September 03, 2013, 10:46:26 AM
I'm pretty sure ICBM stands for Inter Continental Ballistic Missile. This model will have a different size tip than a non ICBM for a longer cast.

Not sure on the R but along with the number in front i think its to do with the thickness of the wall and the reinforcement type of the blank.
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Christoffer Hansen on September 03, 2013, 11:03:05 AM
The tip section is the same. It's a extended butt section. 4" longer. The specs are on their website
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Mark Harris on September 03, 2013, 11:55:45 AM
An all-encompassing key to Carpenter's baffling acronyms would be much appreciated! (by me at least).
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Ben Thomson on September 04, 2013, 12:24:19 PM
I'm with you mark.

The tip section is the same. It's a extended butt section. 4" longer. The specs are on their website

Tried website... .... : /
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Dmitrii Novgorodtcev on September 05, 2013, 12:07:10 AM
ICBM really stands for Inter Continental Ballistic Missile. Carpenter uses this mark to show that this particular model is made specially for incredibly long casts. Carpenter started using this mark from 2007 when they made LR-90 ICBM. It was longer version of LR-89 and made new standards of the long cast. To emphasize this it was marked by the abbreviation "ICBM".

"R" stands for "regular taper".

PI stands for "Power 1".
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Mark Harris on September 05, 2013, 01:06:50 AM
Thanks Dimitri.

Next step would be to understand what "Power 1" actually means?

And any idea what MRF means?  As in Black Current 80MRF.

I thought F maybe = Finesse but there is nothing at all finesse about this rod!
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Jon Li on September 05, 2013, 01:18:02 AM
Thanks Dimitri.

Next step would be to understand what "Power 1" actually means?

And any idea what MRF means?  As in Black Current 80MRF.

I thought F maybe = Finesse but there is nothing at all finesse about this rod!

BC80MRF = Black Current 8' Medium Regular taper Finesse .
BC69MHR-SHP = Black Current 6'9" Medium Heavy Regular taper - Super High Power .
And so on .

Now on P1 , I am still trying to decipher the power difference between P1 n P Max , the answer from Japan is less clear than I wish .

Jon .
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Dmitrii Novgorodtcev on September 05, 2013, 07:46:24 AM
Thanks Dimitri.
Next step would be to understand what "Power 1" actually means?
And any idea what MRF means?  As in Black Current 80MRF.
I thought F maybe = Finesse but there is nothing at all finesse about this rod!

BC80MRF = Black Current 8' Medium Regular taper Finesse .
BC69MHR-SHP = Black Current 6'9" Medium Heavy Regular taper - Super High Power .
And so on .
Now on P1 , I am still trying to decipher the power difference between P1 n P Max , the answer from Japan is less clear than I wish .
Jon .

Hi all,

In accordance with the abbreviation rules of Carpenter BC80MRF must mean:
"M" goes for Medium power level
"RF" goes for Regular Fast taper.

"Finesse" is a characteristic of guide setting. This characteristic goes in the end of the model name in small letters in the  brackets. So, "F" does not mean "finesse" here, because it is capital, not small and not in the brackets. To be "finesse" it must be MR(f).

SHP abbreviation shows that the carbon layer is thicker than usual and the breaking point of such blank is very high withing the class of the blank.
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Jorge Fidalgo on September 05, 2013, 10:38:37 AM
What about the meaning of Super Cobra on the new Blue Chasers?
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Ben Thomson on September 05, 2013, 10:54:36 AM
Thanks Dmitrii.
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Mark Harris on September 05, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
Very helpful and some of the mystery is being removed.
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Andy Rowe on September 05, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
What about the meaning of Super Cobra on the new Blue Chasers?

I recall reading somewhere that the BLC84/25 'super cobra' designation refers to being able to throw very light lures relative to its line and drag rating. Not sure about the other members of this designation.
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Trevor Skinner on September 05, 2013, 02:13:12 PM
Andy,

I have the BLC 83/35 and although I can't confirm what Carpenter intended with the "Super Cobra' label your description pretty much fits that rod.



Trevor   
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Dan Colebrook on September 05, 2013, 03:43:22 PM
On the carpenter website it says on the BLC 80/35 write up that SC stands for " like a  SUPER COBRA being very aggressive and strong in attack"
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Jon Li on September 05, 2013, 03:55:18 PM
Dmitri is right on the issue of ( f ) n F , my bad .

Super Cobra is fast recoil , just like a cobra fast striking action .

Jon .
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: Jorge Fidalgo on September 06, 2013, 11:29:40 AM
Thank you Jon! and all the rest.

This is a great thread.
Title: Re: carpenter rod explanation please (ICBM)??
Post by: colin tecofsky on September 06, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
 ??? If you have time to look at the lettering the rod isnt doing what it should be  ;) Mines a B/C 80-35 Super Cobra but I dont care.  I only know its happy when its under load :)