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Graham Scott

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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 02:21:20 PM
I'll start a new category for land based GT fisho.....MANIACS

If it's any use when we chased big reefies off the rocks we used to have a bit of success going gently IF they were relatively clear, seeing if they tired a bit or swum into an open area...then give it full throttle and see if you could drag them before they got mobile...sort of waiting for an opportunity...still ended in disaster many times. Great sight seeing a 5kg coral trout skipping across the surface.

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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 02:41:30 PM
Hi Gus ,

West Sumbawa as Batu Hijau ? Have seen the place from the air each time returning from Waingapu to Denpasar , can't miss it with that Big Hole . The coasts there are awesome !

On the drag setting , have tried loosening the drag in the hope the GT will stop running when fishing from a boat , has not happened yet and each time I tried I got reefed good n proper . At one time a good fish took my lure n wrapped it on an outcropping reef , I could not do anything so opened the bail arm of the reel n was about to handline it for the purpose of breaking the line and cut my loss when suddenly the fish unwrapped the snagged line n start swimming to deeper water , got the bail arm closed but by then the line was frayed and soon parted , the end result was just the same .

Jon .
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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 03:45:18 PM
This topic of how much drag is one that often makes me laugh as it is one that is not well understood by many anglers. Over the past few years, I've read a number of examples from the macho men in the sport claiming they fish 18kg or even 20kgs on strike. I read an article in Modern Fishing last year where one fishing magazine identity claimed he tightened the drag on his Stella as tight as he could for the GTs at Shoalwater.

If you fish 18 to 20kg on strike and you are fishing PE8-10, then you can't be a very experienced GT angler because if you were, you'd have suffered multiple snap-offs on strike. In particular, the sideways strike from a GT will often result in a snap-off at the spool. That said, I will make an exception for a small number of anglers who are fishing extremely heavy hollow braid (150lb upwards) who really go hard on a fish. These guys are also physically capable of doing it (for the most part  :D  ) and fishing heavy drag (but I doubt 20kg) but they really are in the minority.

Also, it has been acknowledged by Nick Bowles, the very respected guide in Oman, that going super heavy just doesn't work on huge fish and only results in gear failure. Over the years, I've started to suspect that 130lb is close to the limit as fishing line weights beyond this starts to see significant gear failure. Some of these guys have broken UHLs and Wild Violences.

Are there guys out there that can fish 20kg of drag? Well, I reckon Gordon Low can do it easily but I sincerely doubt many others are in his weight and strength class.

The majority of the top anglers in the sport are fishing drags on strike of about 12kgs, give or take one or two kgs. In this category are guys like Kenji Konishi, Damon Olsen and I'd throw Richard Foong into this group as well. They then turn it up as the fight progresses or simply palm the spool as they need to apply more drag. Damon is one of those who could hold onto 18kg of drag but he doesn't do it for obvious reasons.

I'm sure there are quite a few guys who could hold onto heavy drag for a short fight but can they hold on as a fight gets beyond the ten minutes mark? A really huge fish will easily strip 100m or more against 20kg of drag and by the time 100m is out, the drag will be at a terrifying level.

The other thing I've noted over time is that going hard on a fish sometimes ilicits the same response from the fish. You may be able to muscle a 20kg fish but try that on a 50kg fish and see what happens.

So, don't feel inadequate if you fish 8-10kg of drag. The objective is to land the fish, not get busted off on strike.

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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 05:18:42 PM
Whatever your train of thought I think we all agree that this is too much drag  :D ;)

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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
Are you the one with the beard in the middle Travis? ;D
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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 06:48:58 PM
This topic of how much drag is one that often makes me laugh as it is one that is not well understood by many anglers. Over the past few years, I've read a number of examples from the macho men in the sport claiming they fish 18kg or even 20kgs on strike. I read an article in Modern Fishing last year where one fishing magazine identity claimed he tightened the drag on his Stella as tight as he could for the GTs at Shoalwater.

If you fish 18 to 20kg on strike and you are fishing PE8-10, then you can't be a very experienced GT angler because if you were, you'd have suffered multiple snap-offs on strike. In particular, the sideways strike from a GT will often result in a snap-off at the spool. That said, I will make an exception for a small number of anglers who are fishing extremely heavy hollow braid (150lb upwards) who really go hard on a fish. These guys are also physically capable of doing it (for the most part  :D  ) and fishing heavy drag (but I doubt 20kg) but they really are in the minority.

Also, it has been acknowledged by Nick Bowles, the very respected guide in Oman, that going super heavy just doesn't work on huge fish and only results in gear failure. Over the years, I've started to suspect that 130lb is close to the limit as fishing line weights beyond this starts to see significant gear failure. Some of these guys have broken UHLs and Wild Violences.

Are there guys out there that can fish 20kg of drag? Well, I reckon Gordon Low can do it easily but I sincerely doubt many others are in his weight and strength class.

The majority of the top anglers in the sport are fishing drags on strike of about 12kgs, give or take one or two kgs. In this category are guys like Kenji Konishi, Damon Olsen and I'd throw Richard Foong into this group as well. They then turn it up as the fight progresses or simply palm the spool as they need to apply more drag. Damon is one of those who could hold onto 18kg of drag but he doesn't do it for obvious reasons.

I'm sure there are quite a few guys who could hold onto heavy drag for a short fight but can they hold on as a fight gets beyond the ten minutes mark? A really huge fish will easily strip 100m or more against 20kg of drag and by the time 100m is out, the drag will be at a terrifying level.

The other thing I've noted over time is that going hard on a fish sometimes ilicits the same response from the fish. You may be able to muscle a 20kg fish but try that on a 50kg fish and see what happens.

So, don't feel inadequate if you fish 8-10kg of drag. The objective is to land the fish, not get busted off on strike.

my two cents worth

I think you have put it rather well.
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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 07:00:31 PM
Are you the one with the beard in the middle Travis? ;D

 :D :D No Ken - but I imagine that is pretty close to how I might look in little red dress  :o ;)

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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
Are you the one with the beard in the middle Travis? ;D

I think it is  :o

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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 08:30:43 PM
Lets all get back to what "most" of us like to talk about please.

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Re: How much drag?
September 18, 2009, 09:24:10 PM
Lets all get back to what "most" of us like to talk about please.

Think this thread has run it's course Brock - not much left to say, just having some fun  :D

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Re: How much drag?
September 19, 2009, 10:57:02 AM
I agree,

I think I'll call it a draw;

equal split between pussies and MACHOS
Landbased...just too silly

 and Travis, you're in a class all by yoruself