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Re: Rigging a stick bait for marlin
December 07, 2009, 07:09:12 AM
Gavin, I too am looking at a stella 10000FA with a 20K spool, with PE5.  Two rod options, my stickbait rod (zenaq fokeeto 83/7) or a 7ft 20-50lb calstar, if switch baiting.

For the trace I would be looking at a hard leader, rather than a soft leader.  When marlin wrap themselves in the leader, their scales scuff the leader pretty bad.  A 3ft bite leader will be good, but the rest of the trace can still be critically damaged.

Was on the water yesterday, temp was 17.2 degrees...  A few more weeks and the striped Marlin will be in range!

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Re: Rigging a stick bait for marlin
December 07, 2009, 08:05:33 AM
arron, was thinking of attaching the bite leader via a 4 turn uni to a quality swivel, not confident in my crips to be using them unfortunatley, but a crimp or nail knot might be the only option if im tying heavy fc for the bite leader.

Shane, in your expereince a softer leader like black magic 150 supple wont cut it? reason for going soft is for castability more than anything. If you guys have shredded 150 soft leader then i might just go the tougher stuff at the expence of a bit of casting trouble. from what i understand you can either switch bait when they come up behind the spread or cast to them sunning themselves, so casting will have get its fair share of a go.

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Re: Rigging a stick bait for marlin
December 08, 2009, 12:07:17 AM
Gavin

This is what was left of 150lb bite trace after a beaky b1tch slapped me on a Wahoo 125 stickbait, double Baker rigged, in Madagascar... Stella 10K with a 20K spool, 500 metres of YGK Ultra PE 6, matched to a DJ83MH... 100lb casting leader single strand into 1metre of 150lb ( 1.2 mm ).... 300 odd metres of nearly pulling me off the back of the boat, which was an open dive boat with no transom,drag at about 12 kilos or more, she went airborne for about the 6th and final time into the sunset and left me with shaky knees and this:


I guess she might have gone 100 to 150 kilos..... never really wanted to chase billfish before... as a kid growing up, it was always a "rich mans game" and even since, the idea of pulling lures all day and then sitting in a chair had no appeal to me... skippering and wire man duties are a completely different story of course....

But the rush this fish gave me was beyond belief, and DEFINTELY something I want to do again....
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Re: Rigging a stick bait for marlin
December 08, 2009, 01:23:50 PM
thanks for the feedback Andre, I would of thought 150 would have sufficed as thats what they use on overhead gear but considering braid has no stretch and possibly fishing more drag maybe put more strain on the leader? would you mind telling me what method you used to connect the 150 to the 100?

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Re: Rigging a stick bait for marlin
December 08, 2009, 05:59:13 PM
Gavin - The above was my first, and only run in with a Beaky on popping gear, so please don't take the above as anything more than an observation from a single instance in my experience.... I came off second best in the encounter, so perhaps my points above shouldn't be considered advice of any kind, but rather an observation of sorts...  ;D 8)

I too would have thought 150 would have been plenty... but as you mentioned, with braid and drag settings, and perhaps just being unlucky in the way the fish was hooked and how the leader ran along the bill as it was chafed for at least 30 cm above the breaking point as well.... possibly bill wrapped? Who knows...

I justed used a regular Double Uni to join the 100lb to the 150lb.... had no problems with this connection at all...

As has been mentioned previously in this thread I think, perhaps using a hard mono bite trace would serve you better... maybe 1m to 1.2m, or whatever you are comfortable with hanging out of the tip when casting, then match that to soft mono for the reast of your leader to aid in casting... would give you decent abrasion protection, without having to go to a higher strength bite trace.... for the record I was using soft mono....


I also think heavy drag settings are a no-no.... trying to stop a greyhounding Billfish on its first run, especially if its going airborne, is a recipe for heartbreak I reckon... You'bve got plenty of string on hand, so my advice is to make use of it, and get the skipper on the helm to get you heading towards the fish until she settles down, then go to work on the drag.

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Re: Rigging a stick bait for marlin
December 10, 2009, 11:11:54 AM
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I also think heavy drag settings are a no-no.... trying to stop a greyhounding Billfish on its first run, especially if its going airborne, is a recipe for heartbreak I reckon... You'bve got plenty of string on hand, so my advice is to make use of it, and get the skipper on the helm to get you heading towards the fish until she settles down, then go to work on the drag.
Andre, 100+kg of marlin will certainly rip more line off than any GT, so you're right on your quoted tactics.
Stick to 5-8kg and be prepared to give chase when you have more than 100m of string out.
The lighter drag will help prevent leader damage and pulled kooks.

To put it into perspective, on a 'standard' marlin outfit that I use with a 'strike drag' of 12kg is a 37kg bent butt rollered rod with a Tiagra 80W strapped to it.
The leader is usually 300-400lb hard billfish designed mono, since my drag settings may vary from 12-18kg during a fight.
This is on blue, striped and black marlin in the 100-300kg range.
The lure leader may require replacing after every fish. Sometimes you can get a couple big fish on a leader though I prefer to have new leader & avoid failure.

On 8kg 'standard' gear, my leader is 100-150lb, fight drag is 2.6-4kg and the bill knocks the leader around at these pressures!
This is aimed at little blacks, sailfish and junior burger sized stripies under 75kg.

On casting gear, I'd keep the hooks fine, the 'bite' leader hard and set the drag at 5-8kg.
Try your luck on the smaller sized fish before casting a 300mm stick bait at 200+kg of blue marlin!

Brock....I know you still want to do this so get a spool that holds 1000m of PE 6. You can doooo eit!


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Re: Rigging a stick bait for marlin
December 10, 2009, 05:41:13 PM
Aaron,

I am not going to say much on this topic. I will just read & take it all in.
Might get to try this next year somewhere (if you know what i mean).

Keep up the chat guys I'm trying my best to let it all sink in.

PS: Aaron I will sort a reel out for this soon & hopefully get the larger spool someday soon) What do you suggest for reel & line?)