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Trebles vs singles
March 15, 2007, 08:11:59 AM
Since heavy GT popping was introduced, the ideal hook has always been considered to be a heavy (bloody heavy!) treble hook. There have been very few options here outside of the Decoy GT, the Gamakatsu Recorder, the Fisherman KG120 and to a lesser extent, the Owner ST-66. This has now been replaced by the ST-76 which from the little experience I have had with it is a far superior hook.

Exeprienced GT fisherman have all had problems at some time with their trebles, even with these super-strong trebles. It appears that at certain angles where the GT can really exert direct pressure on the hook that they will compromise it.

In the last couple of years, there seems to have been a discernible move by quite a number of GT fisherman to single hooks. Ones which are being used include the incredibly strong owner Jobus, the owner opposite eye S-77 Stingers and a number of guys are now starting to rig up assist hoooks like the Fisherman Sidens or the Owner SJ-51.

Based on my limited experience with singles, I have no doubt they hold better once you are hooked up but I don't know if the percentage of hook-ups is as high. That said, there also appears to be anecdotal evidence that the singles do less damage to the fish.

Looking at it overall, I think I will probably be switching predominately to singles but I will still carry some trebles. Now if only I can make up my mind which singles to use and whether I should be rigging assists instead of the hook directly onto a split ring!  ???
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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 15, 2007, 09:48:33 AM
I have rather limited experience in regards to singles but i prefer all hooks on stickbaits to be singles (10/0).

On some of the really big pencil chuggers (30cm +) i currently rig them with a 12/0 single on the belly and an 8/0 treble on the rear. Given the already heavy weight of the lure by itself i am considering downsizing each by one size. Hook-ups on this have been great.

Haven't experimented at all with singles on chuggers though. Don't think i could get used to a chugger without trebles...they would look funny!

Lately my single hooks have been Decoy Cutlass JS-2 in 10/0 (12/0 size). I have used other Decoy singles in the past and they have been great.

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 15, 2007, 11:25:27 AM
Do you use singles on a split ring or a swivel like on the big bibless lures.
I sometimes put singles/swivels on my bigger bibed lures for pelagics and one day maybe catch a Billie on one.
I have a photo of a Sailfish caught on a Popper with a big single hook on a swivel, a 'wow' photo :o.
Q: Can we post photos?
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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 15, 2007, 12:37:16 PM
Do you use singles on a split ring or a swivel like on the big bibless lures.
I sometimes put singles/swivels on my bigger bibed lures for pelagics and one day maybe catch a Billie on one.
I have a photo of a Sailfish caught on a Popper with a big single hook on a swivel, a 'wow' photo :o.
Q: Can we post photos?

I prefer to use split rings and assits only when attaching single hooks.

Yes you can post photos Greg. I will post some instructions as some people have been having problems.

I believe the lure in the photo is known as a "Ranger".

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 15, 2007, 07:19:41 PM
Hi all

Singles work really well in lures with a constant retrieve - like a trolled stickbait. Not so keen on them in cast lures, my experience has been a drop off in hook ups overall. Of course in mega fish rich areas the cost and sheer availability of trebles as well as damage to fish may overide other factors.
On the strength issue one has to realise the pressures involved with big Gt's, about the same as 37 to 60kg game gear!!  So look at the hooks they're using, 11/0 and bigger 7691s, would you use a treble made up of three of these?  Because that's what you will need to resist bending at this level of force. Gt trebles bend in extreme situations, get used to it, it's just part of the challenge.

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 15, 2007, 08:26:29 PM
Bernie, how much do you pay for the owner Jobus...? I saw them this arvo for a pack @ $27....thats steep!

The Sj51s are $4.95 US off an ebay store so at least they are reasonable.

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 16, 2007, 09:33:28 AM
mate, the Jobus are blooody expensive - unfortunately - but they are also about the strongest hook I've come upon. I have been tempted to buy a bulk pack from the USA. That is 100 hooks in a box but i think I need to convince myself that is what i using going forward. They're mich cheaper in Sinagpore too. A few places here have them at more reasonable prices. If you shop around, you should be able to get them around $21 - 22 a pack. The jobu is about the most expensive option out there.

Some of the guys are using jigging hoooks and rigging them with assists like the Sj-51 which is an excellent hook too. I have used the opposite eye S-77s which do the job but are not in the same class as the Jobus. I haven't had one go on me BUT there is no doubt that one of these will go before a Jobu.
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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 16, 2007, 10:28:23 AM
mate, the Jobus are blooody expensive - unfortunately - but they are also about the strongest hook I've come upon. I have been tempted to buy a bulk pack from the USA. That is 100 hooks in a box but i think I need to convince myself that is what i using going forward. They're mich cheaper in Sinagpore too. A few places here have them at more reasonable prices. If you shop around, you should be able to get them around $21 - 22 a pack. The jobu is about the most expensive option out there.

Some of the guys are using jigging hoooks and rigging them with assists like the Sj-51 which is an excellent hook too. I have used the opposite eye S-77s which do the job but are not in the same class as the Jobus. I haven't had one go on me BUT there is no doubt that one of these will go before a Jobu.

Although expensive as well, wait till i show you the Decoy Cutlass JS-2 in person if you haven't already seen it. The big ones are bloody impressive :o

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 16, 2007, 12:37:29 PM
where do you get these from?!
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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 16, 2007, 09:25:00 PM
where do you get these from?!

Send Neil a PM/Email....he will sort you out ;D Only place i know of i Australia.

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 17, 2007, 09:36:09 PM
Just found that my local store has Jobus for $21 for 5. So picked up some.Nice hooks....!

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 18, 2007, 03:40:52 PM
Just found that my local store has Jobus for $21 for 5. So picked up some.Nice hooks....!

that would be 7/0s and below   ;D
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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 18, 2007, 05:31:40 PM
Yep 7/0s is what I was after this time.

I will be using them when spinning garfish and maybe on some of the mid sized poppers I have to see what they are like. The next size up 8/0, seems a lot larger than the 7/0s.

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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 18, 2007, 06:54:44 PM
Yep 7/0s is what I was after this time.

I will be using them when spinning garfish and maybe on some of the mid sized poppers I have to see what they are like. The next size up 8/0, seems a lot larger than the 7/0s.


ys, the Jobus are like that. the 8/0s look big next to the 7/0s and the 9/0s look massive. Wait till you check out the 10/0! I'm putting those onto the bigbest Heru Wahoo in the hope of a marlin on the troll
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Re: Trebles vs singles
March 23, 2007, 12:12:08 AM
Jobus are only made in 7/0s to 12/0s, no smaller. An 8/0 Jobu is equivalent to a 9/0 SJ-41 or SJ-51 for gape, and they're longer. Packets are all the same price - like you get five 7/0s, four 8/0s and so on. We've rehashed the pricing on our own website to have them priced per each and are selling them out of 100-boxes, so they're cheaper.

I personally like SJ-41s on most lures for singles. This is one strung off the back of a Dorado Slider... but I've forgotten what size it is.