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Stuart Rowley

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Advice on land based GT rod
October 01, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
Great thread Brandon Khoo, very informative. I asked this on the FB page, so sorry if its doubling up.  I would like to do Land based GT fishing so if anyone could give me some advice it would be much appreciated. I live in Perth WA, will be fishing LandBased locations up north for GTs, Quobba, Exmouth, Broom, etc etc. Not to sure but I guess I would be using mostly Poppers around the 120 - 160g mark & some stick baits, not sure of the weights there, I guess about 150-170g range, but will use what suits the rod I end up with. So for a rod I was thinking that the - Endless Passion EP 86/40R-P, may be a good choice. Casting distance would be a big factor so I thought this may be the overall best choice between lure weight & rod length. What do you guys think? Is there a better rod for this application? Have also been looking into the BLACK HOLE CAPE COD SPECIAL 106N HEAVY ROD (NANO), Any advice on these two rods or others would be much appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 01, 2014, 06:55:15 PM
Guys, Stewart posted this question on FB originally and I suggested he might be better off asking this question on gtpopping. Hoping some of our Hawaiian members who have experience in this form of GT fishing might be able to offer some insights.
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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 01, 2014, 11:25:44 PM
Hi Stuart,
I suggest you to take look into the following rods for your application:
Runner Exceed Final Stand Up 100SXH http://www.saltywatertackle.com/home/runner-exceed-final-stand-up-1047.html
MC Works Raging Bull RB100XR-2http://www.saltywatertackle.com/high-end-jigging-surfing-casting-and-popping-rods/mc-works-raging-bull-rb100xr-2-1006.html

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 02, 2014, 10:25:14 PM
Thanks guys. I will have a look at these rods. Cheers

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 03, 2014, 01:03:12 AM
My RacePoint 200 out casts my Endless Passion 86/40 in all lure weights its hard to beat a fast action rod for distance. I fish both with either a 18k or 14k and pe8, if you droped to a 10k /8k and pe6 you gain even more distance.

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 07, 2014, 03:53:31 AM
I have the Blackhole 106H.

I use it for Spanish Mack and Queens from the bricks.

The rod handles a 150g Cubera popper with a smile and launch it a long way.

I have matched it with the Stella 10 or 14K with PE 6-8.

You can also look at the Blackhole 8.6 nano if you need a bit more backbone to handle a GT from the bricks

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 07, 2014, 09:36:39 AM
Stuart

I believe that CTS has 2 blanks designed in conjunction with Nathan at GTFC - 10' and 11' respectively. Can be found on the CTS site along with pics in action etc also on FB

I am about to order a 10'...

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 07, 2014, 01:14:38 PM
I have the Blackhole 106H.

I use it for Spanish Mack and Queens from the bricks.

The rod handles a 150g Cubera popper with a smile and launch it a long way.

I have matched it with the Stella 10 or 14K with PE 6-8.

You can also look at the Blackhole 8.6 nano if you need a bit more backbone to handle a GT from the bricks

Gerhard when you say a a Cubera 150 a long way, I am looking for a longer rod to get extra distance.

I would be very interested in what distance you are getting on this set up, any chance of measuring your casts on a field.

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 07, 2014, 02:26:26 PM
I have the Blackhole 106H.

I use it for Spanish Mack and Queens from the bricks.

The rod handles a 150g Cubera popper with a smile and launch it a long way.

I have matched it with the Stella 10 or 14K with PE 6-8.

You can also look at the Blackhole 8.6 nano if you need a bit more backbone to handle a GT from the bricks

Gerhard when you say a a Cubera 150 a long way, I am looking for a longer rod to get extra distance.

I would be very interested in what distance you are getting on this set up, any chance of measuring your casts on a field.

As they say, Om te MEET is om te WEET, Guestimates don't provide true reflections of stats

Craig,

I am flying back to Saudi today.

I will make a couple of casts on the soccer field at the construction camp somewhere the next week.

Its difficult guestemating distance on water but I can confirm I land the 150g past the 1,5-2 oz lures casted by the a fellow angler using a 11ft Amia.

The 106H has been called a noodle stick by some of the guys here for GT's from the rocks I have yet to experience this....

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 07, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
Thanks Gerhard

I was casting a 11 Ft Amia the other day on the Rugby Field and was getting around 105 to 110m with 20lbs braid.

What LBS braid are you casting with the BH?

Let me know once you have tested on the soccer field.
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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 13, 2014, 01:20:36 PM
Howzit Stuart,

For the shoreline GT fishing you intend to do, and with the lure ratings that you are interested in, there are a couple good options. I suppose the best place to start would be to ask how aggressively do you like to fight your fish from the rocks?

If you're the kind of guy who wants to hook up to 20kilo GTs and crank em in with no drag taken out, then i would suggest the PD Rockfist or the United Composites 100XXH. Both of these sticks have an ideal lure range of 150g-180g and an awesome amount of power down low for vertical lift in deep water. The UC has a bit slower tip section, but more power in the tail than the PD Rockfist XTX115. These are more popper rods than stickbait rods. I like them with 180-230g stickbaits like Ulua 200's and Bigfoot 230's. They can do a 150g stickbait, but you gotta go easier on them.   

If you're looking to throw smaller lures, and fish a little less aggressively, then that opens up your options a bit more. The MC Works 106XX is nice with lures 100-140g, the Ripple Fisher Runner Exceed is pretty similar, and the Zenaq 100HHH is nice too. Each of these rods is a little less powerful than i care to fish where i live, but really light and sweet. These are all great for both lighter poppers and medium stickbaits.

I respectfully disagree with Gerhard about the Black Hole 106N Heavy. I built a couple and found them entirely too soft for GT fishing. 60g-90g is nice casting on this rod, but the backbone just isn't there to get dirty with big fish.

As Clem mentioned above; I have worked with CTS to develop a line of Hawaiian Shoreline Specific GT rods, that have been designed for hardcore fishing on nasty lava rock terrain. We have three models available ranging from an "All Around" rod to an "Absolutely Ridiculous" rod. We have had awesome results with them so far.

Hope this helps you out in your pursuit for a good land based rig. My group of fishing buddies over here has just about every shoreline GT rod ever made, and we have put everything to the test side by side. Shoreline GT's are a niche fishery within a niche fishery, so its nice to have some input with the complete range of whats available out there before making a big purchase.

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 15, 2014, 04:55:08 AM
@ Craig. What is your target species? What reel will you be fishing, what lure weight and what line class. I have a few land based rods in varying weights so should be able to provide some input. Is casting distance your primary factor? For distance my two best set ups are my Yamaga Blue Sniper 10ftH and a Graphcast 5 built for multiplier fished with magged Trina 16a and 50lbs Jerry Brown with 7m mono leader. Best cast weight for Yamaga 60 - 80g and then 100 - 120 for GC 5. I have not measured accurately but both will exceed 120m. I have played golf off scratch for 23 years so I do not think that I am that far out with my distance estimates.

The minute I go to heavier set ups distance reduces dramatically. I have a 9ft6 Phenix Black Diamond blank that has just been finished but I have yet to collect it. This blank felt as though it would cast very well but I will only know after the weekend.

If ever you make it to Cape Town you are welcome to test a few set ups.

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 15, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Hi Anton thanks for the post, looking to a land based GT rod for 60lbs to 100lbs JB braid mainly chisel once plugs which assists in distance vs a popper.

A while ago I was testing rods for casting distance on the nearby rugby field trying to find out the difference in casting distance between different rod lengths and setups (spinning vs overhead). For some land based and boat based areas around heavy surf the extra distance means the difference between strikes and no action.

My test showed that

80m casting distance on Temple Reef GT 80-10 (Pathfinder) Stella 10k SW /SOM 16k spool loaded with JBH 100lbs casting 120g chisel nose plug.

85m casting distance on a Shimano 10ft rod with the same reel and lure above.

100m casting distance with a 9ft6 CD Graphcast 5  and a Daiwa overhead reel 40 Saltist Levelwind with 18kg mono and the above lure. I think I would extra distance on a overhead with braid?

95m casting distance on Temple Reef GT 80-10 (Pathfinder) Stella 10k SW spool loaded with JB 60lbs casting 120g chisel nose plug.

So a extra 15m or so on the 60lbs vs the 100lbs braid.

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 15, 2014, 05:39:15 PM
You would definitely add some distance with braid on the multiplier. It is the difference between casting .40mm and casting .70mm. Also great advantages with leaders as knots can be very small - FG or Bob Sands. I use this for tail at St Francis. - not quite 50 -100lbs GTs but it is as close as we come in SA. I fish 80lbs JB hollow stitched into a 10m 200lbs braid leader connected to a heavy mono or 80lbs fireline leader with FG knot. I use either the Trini 16 a or Trini DC 20.

Fitted adjustable magnetic cast control into the A for R300 and it took less than 3 min to do at home with a cordless drill.

Back to the rods. This is a very narrow brief and there are not many that I know of that will handle the upper limits of this. I have 2 rods that will give you a chance in the lower to middle of this range. The MC Works Raging Bull 100 XR2 capable of 13 kg drag and then I have 2 x GC 5's built for spinning reels. I fish Rooikrans a lot and have lifted many 7-8kg ytail 3-5m from the water onto the ledge. I have the older dark blue ones and they are near bullet proof.

The rods that Nathan lists is the other thread look promising. I have an 8ft CTS that I got from New Zealand and use for Ytail off of the boat. They were a pleasure to deal with and it is a fantastic rod. Rated PE 3 but it has taken yfin to 40kg with ease.

In reasonable terrain you should have a chance with most of these rods. That said the rods Nathan is building are 100% purpose built. It seems that CTS will also sell these blanks. Maybe import 1or 2 and get the Alcocks to build them up for you. Could be a bit better than trying to get the rods here from Hawaii?

Good luck
Anton

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Re: Advice on land based GT rod
October 17, 2014, 03:37:50 AM
Anton I also have an original old blue GC 5 from Dave Alcock.

I also have the Shimano Exage 11ft and 10ft rods built for Yellowtail (Kingfish).

How do these compare to the Mc Works in casting distance and pull power?

Looking at mainly using chisel nose plugs to increase casting distance.

Picked up my Shimano Tranx today, monster size baitcaster.  It feels very balanced on the GC 5, going to load it with braid and give it a cast.
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