Saragosa 8000 or 10000?

[Joshua Fifis]

I was looking at getting a Saragosa 10000 for a light popper/stickbait setup running 50lb on it but I'm now not sure whether to get the 8000 instead. The 8000 has a faster gear ratio of 5.6:1 compared to 4.9:1 with the 10000. I noticed that this is the same with the Stella also (8000 has HG and PG but only PG for the 10000). I found on Tackle Direct that the line retrieve is 42.2" for the 8000 and 40" for the 10000 but I have learnt that you can't always believe these stats.
So my question is it better to sacrifice the line capacity and go with the higher gear ratio 8000 or is not that much of a difference in retrieve and I'm better to get the extra capacity? Any opinions are much appreciated.

[Ian Cook]

You can by an 8000 for the higher gear ratio and just buy a spare 10000 spool as both reels share the same body and rotor, just different gearing, I've tried it and it works.

That way you get a hi-speed 10000

Food for thought.

Cheers

Ian

[Joshua Fifis]

The Shimano website says that the 8000 has 12kg of drag and the 10000 has 15kg. Is this true or is it just another one of Shimano's dodgy numbers? If it is true, the 12kg drag will drop even less again with a larger spool.

[Mark Richie]

The Shimano website says that the 8000 has 12kg of drag and the 10000 has 15kg. Is this true or is it just another one of Shimano's dodgy numbers? If it is true, the 12kg drag will drop even less again with a larger spool.

Hi Josh,

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag. I've heard that you can also put a Stella spool on the Saragosa meaning 25kg drag but that's got to be pushing the internals of the gosa. Maybe too far even?

[Joshua Fifis]

The Shimano website says that the 8000 has 12kg of drag and the 10000 has 15kg. Is this true or is it just another one of Shimano's dodgy numbers? If it is true, the 12kg drag will drop even less again with a larger spool.

Hi Josh,

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag. I've heard that you can also put a Stella spool on the Saragosa meaning 25kg drag but that's got to be pushing the internals of the gosa. Maybe too far even?

Hahaha you are very much right about the spool Mark. Not sure why I thought that. A bit embarrassing seeing as I'm a mechanical engineer!

[Lucas Nixon]

Hey mate,

Ive got a Gossa 10000 with 50 pound tuf line for lighter popping and stick baiting and it hasnt missed a beat.

The 8000 with a 10000 spool would be a solid plan too.

If I had the money I would have stellas on everything but the gossa is solid and gets the job done.

Cheers,

[David Lumanauw]

Standard new saragosa spool has not enough drag for GT fishing. Best is using JM 16k or other stella 8k replacement spool (SOM, maxel, etc)

[Lorenz Seebauer]

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.

But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf

[Joshua Fifis]

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.

But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf

That's why I asked if the drag numbers are actually real or not. Shimano have a terrible history of putting bogus numbers on their website to make one reel look better than the other.  If they have the same drag washer setup, then technically the smaller 8000 spool will give you more drag.

[Mark Richie]

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.

But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf

I'm merely going off the claimed drag and trying to clear up a potential misunderstanding by the original author of the thread. I totally understand that if they are in fact the same drag set-up, theoretically the 8000 should have more drag due to the smaller diameter spool.

[Joshua Fifis]

Hey mate,

Ive got a Gossa 10000 with 50 pound tuf line for lighter popping and stick baiting and it hasnt missed a beat.

The 8000 with a 10000 spool would be a solid plan too.

If I had the money I would have stellas on everything but the gossa is solid and gets the job done.

Cheers,

How do you find the lower gear ratio of the 10000 when working lures? I really hate winding a heap and feeling like you aren't getting anywhere haha!

[Max Grimbacher]

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.

But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf

That's why I asked if the drag numbers are actually real or not. Shimano have a terrible history of putting bogus numbers on their website to make one reel look better than the other.  If they have the same drag washer setup, then technically the smaller 8000 spool will give you more drag.

I agree with you. The part numbers are the same and the max. drag is likely the same if the outside diameter of the 8000/10000 are the same. Just an exaggeration to try and differentiate the products.

Another exaggeration is as David L. points out above. The max. drag on the 10,000 is not 15kg. Most I could get with the drag screwed down on a dead lift on my 10,000 was a 11.5kg set of weights off the ground with the rod butt held about horizontal.
I don't know how it could get to the claimed 15kg?? If someone knows how please let us know.
Otherwise a reasonable reel.

[Mark Richie]

It's the spool that's drag rated, not the reel. Therefore you put a 10000 spool on the 8000 body and you get the 10000s 15kg drag.

But how can you get more dragpower with the same drag? According to the reel schematics the drag parts in both spools are the same.

http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG8000SW_v1_m56577569830880584.pdf
http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Saltwater_Spinning/14SRG10000SW_v1_m56577569830880579.pdf

That's why I asked if the drag numbers are actually real or not. Shimano have a terrible history of putting bogus numbers on their website to make one reel look better than the other.  If they have the same drag washer setup, then technically the smaller 8000 spool will give you more drag.

I agree with you. The part numbers are the same and the max. drag is likely the same if the outside diameter of the 8000/10000 are the same. Just an exaggeration to try and differentiate the products.

Another exaggeration is as David L. points out above. The max. drag on the 10,000 is not 15kg. Most I could get with the drag screwed down on a dead lift on my 10,000 was a 11.5kg set of weights off the ground with the rod butt held about horizontal.
I don't know how it could get to the claimed 15kg?? If someone knows how please let us know.
Otherwise a reasonable reel.

I believe manufacturers rate them as an empty spool. The more line you put on, the lower the drag number gets.

[David Lumanauw]

Maybe it is measured on empty spool or half full spool. If you put only 10 meter of PE line to a spool, you will get much bigger weight number than if you measure it on full spoooled spool.
But we fish with full spool, so such measurement result is not usefull.

[Mark Richie]

Maybe it is measured on empty spool or half full spool. If you put only 10 meter of PE line to a spool, you will get much bigger weight number than if you measure it on full spoooled spool.
But we fish with full spool, so such measurement result is not usefull.

From a manufacturers point of view, they'll publish whatever gets the highest number. Even if it is completely irrelevant in the real world. I'm pretty sure SOM, JM etc rate their drags with a full spool.