Varivas Avani GT Super Max vs Avani GT - diameters

[Mark Harris]

Does anyone have any information on the respective diameters of Avani GT Super Max versus regular Avani GT braid?  Would be really helpful.

If not diameters, perhaps as a load factor for the same spool..... how much of one versus how much of another?

Or is there no noticeable difference on this front?

Any thoughts or firm information on this greatly appreciated.

I do find it incredibly annoying that the high end braid manufacturers seem to pointedly avoid printing their line diameters on the packet!

[Andy Rowe]

Mark,

I presume you are talking about 'Avani GT Super Max Power' vs 'Avani GT Max Power', when referring to Japanese braids generally the term PE is used and this refers directly to the line diameter. PE is a standard of measurement I believe initially developed to measure silk thread. Different breaking strains are assigned by the manufacturer based on the formulation etc.

Not sure what you mean by load factor but this thread may help you if you want to figure out spool capacity using different PE.

http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=804.msg8129#msg8129

[Mark Harris]

Hi Andy

Thanks for that and yes in theory on the diameters. But I have certainly fully loaded a spool with one PE8 braid and then got more PE8 on (for example) with a different brand. And vice versa.

I use Avani GT Super Max quite a bit. When looking at some cheaper Avani GT Max today, the PE8 looked and felt thicker than the "same sized" PE8 Super Max. That may be an illusion but it sure felt and looked thicker. Hence this post  .

[Andy Rowe]

Hard to maintain uniform diameters between manufacturers I'm guessing.

[Mark Harris]

Yep I guess. 

All the more reason to let the consumer know the precise mm diameter I think. Millimetres are universally understood and easily measured..... the PE system isn't!

One time when I am really bored I might even do some tests on the same spool with different brands but same PE number braids and post the loading differences.

My problem with Avani GT Super Max versus Avani GT Max is that I get barely enough GT Super Max PE8 on one of my smaller reel spools. It needs new braid and I would like to spend less money. But after touching and feeling it, I am sceptical that enough of the cheaper GT Max PE8 will fit on the spool.

[Jon Li]

Guys ,

Here is the diameter of PE in Gouw unit and the metric unit in mm ;

No.PE...mm

0.6...0.128
0.8...0.148
1.0...0.165
1.2...0.185
1.5...0.205
1.7...0.218
2.0...0.235
2.5...0.260
3.0...0.285
3.5...0.310
4.0...0.330
5.0...0.370
6.0...0.405
7.0...0.435
8.0...0.470
10.0...0.520
12.0...0.570
14.0...0.620
16.0...0.660

Jon .

[Scott Maybury]

Yeah the problem is that with some manufacturers 'close enough' seems to be good enough. For eg, I know several guys who buy a 'PE8' braid, which the manufacturer has indicated is 0.5mm ......so it is actually more like a PE9 in width as it is just over halfway between PE8 and PE10....

I know it is a small difference of only 6% odd, but over the coures of filling up a spool it makes a difference....300m becomes 280, 250m becomes 235

[Jamie Moir]

Ahh yes I did notice that the Daiwa Saltiga Boat Braid was a little fat for the PE rating they were giving it. Their PE6/80lb is quoted at .44mm which is nearly PE8 on that chart.

Interestingly I sent a sample of the PE4/55lb/0.36mm 8-ply colour-metered line to that guy that does the line testing, along with a sample of the Daiwa Samurai moss green 55lb and they are very different lines; the colour-metered was busting @ 69lb, and the green stuff busted @ 56lb.

[Mark Harris]

Thank you Jon for the table and others for their responses. I am pleased I am not the only one experiencing this variation in a supposed fixed measurement.

On the specific Avani GT issue between Max and Super Max,  I am pretty sure my impression is correct. If the stuff was not so expensive I would buy some just for the sake of experimentation

[Andy Rowe]

Mark,

From memory I had about 360m of PE8SMP on a 20k FA spool and 350m of standard GT max on the same spool. I have been avoiding the PE8SMP lately due to a shock-load line failure. Very interested in seeing the new PE10 SMP about to come out though.

Andy

[Mark Harris]

Thanks again Andy. 

On a Twin Power SW 12000 spool where I get a bare minimum 220/230 m of PE8 Super Max, a small difference like that could be vital. Looks like I will have to bite the bullet and pay the Super Max price again... Not really an issue with my bigger reels of course.

Details of your SMP failure would be interesting to hear about by the way.   

[Andy Rowe]

Mark, check out the SOM 16k No-Limits spools, I use these on my 8-10k SW stellas and get 260m of PE8 GTmax on if packed really tight. Not sure if they go on the Twinnies though??

Regarding the PE8 SMP failure, only one bad experience for the record, a gt came charging from under the boat and hit the returning lure head-on with about 20m of line out, the line popped fairly instantaneously half way up. Perhaps unfairly or over-cautious, but based on one incident i shelved it for GT purposes after that. It was on a nomad trip at the time so with that cash outlay I was not willing to use it further and went back to GT max which I have never had a similar issue with.

[Garry Wong]

another interessting call about failure of GT SMP
makes me wonder,i should just go with normal GT max power pe8 to load my 18k

[Mark Harris]

That's a fairly scary report of SMP failure.... I hope just a one off. With the money that this stuff costs even one failure is too many though!

Thanks for the No Limits spool tip. I do not think they fit the Twin Powers but will check.

[Mark Harris]

Ah. Good. It seems that SOM No limits spool does fit an 09 TwinPower SWA.