Certate 3500HD or Stella 5000SW ?

[Mario Benedict]

Hi All,

I'm looking to get into another reel in the above sizes. Should I go the certate or the stella ? Will probably use it mostly for casting surface lures around the harbour markers.  I will also be using it for very light jigging with water depths up to 30-40m max. The 3500HD have a gear ratio of 4.8:1 and the stella a whopping 6.2:1. Will jigging with such high ratio be a problem ?
What are your comments ?
And for those who already have those reels what rods do you match it up with ?

The two sizes are comparable IMO, the stella at the size looks rather cute :-)
Pricewise the stella is about $130 dearer, but it does have more bearings and more drags.

I have a certate in the smaller size (2000) and stella in the bigger sizes(18 and 20k), and so far I can't really fault any of them.  Both are really good reels.

Cheers,
Mario

[Chris Webster]

G'Day Mario,
Mate, i know everyone here will have a different opinion but i think the Certate is the go.
I own a 10000SW and a Certate (albeit the 3000 2010 model) but to be honest i cannot fault the Certate.
Or even get a 3500 Certate for surface and a 8000SW Stella for jigging. There you go. Problem solved.

I will wait until the lunchtime beers wear off before i recommend a rod.

Cheers,
Chris

[Mario Benedict]

thanks Chris,
I wish I have the luxury to buy the 2 reels. I have to sell a couple of my bream reels to buy this one in the first place :-) haha

The KGS-70MH looks like it will fit the certate or stella nicely looking at the specs.

[Peter Childs]

Mario

Me and a few mates have blown up a couple of certates in the last 6 months, not enjoyable for died in the wool daiwa fans.  If it were me, I'd now go the stella.  I've got 4 daiwas in the 2500 size, been using them for years, no troubles.  2 x 3500s burried in last 18 months. 

You are right with the retreive though, the 3500 makes a great soft plastics reel but is too slow for high speed metals and jigging!  the 5000sw is great for metals and small poppers -but a bit whacky for plastics.  I seemed to have settled now on the low speed shimano (you can get a twinpower PG) and run it with the 6000 spool - delivers almost the best of both worlds.  The speed on the HG 5000 is good for jigging, but there is not realy enough leverage in the whole setup, it feels like the handle is too short!

Hope that helps!

[Mario Benedict]

certainly helped Peter much appreciated.
I'm leaning towards the stella at the moment, with the dollar so good these days it's even harder to say no to the stella.

[Cam Munro]

Hey Mario - I have a 18K and 20K stella, no experience with the 5K.I have had a certate 200 for breamin, a 2500R for cray stuff and two 3500 HD's - one on a saltiga 68s ( for metals and upto 140ml poppers and the other on a nitro viper for plastics and poppers ). I'vegiven the certates an absolute belting over 4 years from gt's and big ey t's, dollies and tuna in oman to sbt's and snapper,gummies in Vic to Sails in Malaysia - I love em, even though i've had two break downs- one was a rubber seal in main body, the latest it play in the handle ( suspect bearings ) from a big sail on popper....yet to be fixed. I run 15 or 20 lb briad on em... lovely reel, great drag and pretty tough. Just another perspective!

[Efendey Juneidi]

Hi Mario,

I own 2002 SW5000HG and KGS 70 MH, IMHO the reel and rod not match perfectly. If you want to buy SW5000,
I recommend you to pair it with POSEIDON OCEANHUNTER POHS70 on PE2-3 line.

If not, get 2002 SW6000 and paired it with KGS 70 MH on PE4. I used mine and it works better. 

[Peter Childs]

Mario

On the rod front check out the following, I have one of each they each have their strengths - all will balance well with the 3500 / 5000sw you are talking about;

Loomis Pro Blue 843 - awesome rod, suits 30 lb braid and working small - medium poppers and sticks + large plastics - heaps of reserve in the butt - a very crisp rod.
Nitro Viper - a little softer than the loomis, smaller poppers but a better range of plastics - 20 -30 lb braid
Saltigo Dorado 80s - beautiful long caster, light poppers and metals around 40 g - into the next post code - 20lb line, not much good for plastics.
Catalina 762 H - a little heavier (and cheaper) than the saltiga and a little more in reserve 30 - 40 lb, a greater range of casting weights for poppers and metals up to 60 grams and plastics at a pinch.

Hope this helps.

[Mario Benedict]

terima kasih Eddie. The poseidon looks good but the price is not so good :-)

Thank you again Peter. I like the action of Loomis rods but for their price I think the build quality and components are quite poor, beautiful blanks though.
I'll check out your other suggestions. My ideal length will be around 7' as I will be using it from the boat most of the time.

Thank you Cam for the feedback. My Certate 2000 is still going strong after 4 years too, but then again it mostly catches bream although I gave it a good run on the salmons this morning.

[Mark Gwynne]

terima kasih Eddie. The poseidon looks good but the price is not so good :-)

Thank you again Peter. I like the action of Loomis rods but for their price I think the build quality and components are quite poor, beautiful blanks though.
I'll check out your other suggestions. My ideal length will be around 7' as I will be using it from the boat most of the time.

Thank you Cam for the feedback. My Certate 2000 is still going strong after 4 years too, but then again it mostly catches bream although I gave it a good run on the salmons this morning.

Mario I have recently went through this exercise and went the stella 5000.

As for the rod I went a Samurai blank and had it custom built. using 30lb braid I went the NV8 blank which is 7 foot.

I absolutely love both rod and reel and it is an incredible outfit.

Here's a link to some photos and a report on it's first outing. The second is a youtube vid of a great red it nailed on the second outing. Couldn't be happier!!

http://www.gtpopping.com/forum/index.php?topic=2767.0

Red Emperor on light tackle


Cheers, Mark.

[Hon-Su Chin]

Why not look at a Stella SW 5000 or 6000 PG model?? or even the HG model. The 6.2:1 model you refer to is the export model or equivalent to a XG model.

I have a SW 6000PG for light jigging and heavy soft plastic work. I use my 4000FD for PE2, lighter soft plastic work.

[Mario Benedict]

Hon-Su price is the issue there.
The JDM models seem to cost a fair bit more than the export models. You do get the sexy looking Carbon knob with it though. If the prices are the same I'd probably get the 5000HG with a 5.7:1 ratio.

[Luke Wyrsta]

Stella is a no brainer, but also consider the TwinPower 5000SW.

High speed and built on the blue-print of the Stella. Comes with a sweet round hypalon handle.

I've caught GTs to 35kg on this (not designed for such fish) and still going hard without service. Smacked a heap of fish over the last 30 days to 12kg without even as much as a freshwater rinse due to remoteness!

I love this reel 

[Peter Childs]

What line class are you fishing over the Twinpower Luke?

[Mario Benedict]

also what rod do you match it with Luke ?