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Chris Young:
 Thought I'd start a thread on the issue of Nomad phasing out the use of trebles on their boats.
 I personally like the idea, but how will it affect the way you rig your lures ?, & will you still use trebles elsware or will you follow the trend & phase them out alltogether ?

Cheers Chris

Jon Li:
Hi Chris ,

The idea has been tried in Komodo but with a bit more leeway ; single hooks on the belly n the tail or 1 pc. of treble on the belly and swivel blade on the tail but these are only a suggestion which are not enforced .

With 1 pc. of treble on the belly we do get very few damage to the fish from swinging treble on the tail while with single hooks on the belly n the tail , we still get very few damage to the fish so in my opinion , 1 pc. of treble on the belly + swivel blade on the tail certainly work for most chugger but may not work for stickbait n pencil poppers .

It's a free world and there is no way of enforcing this in other places , NOMAD may have the autonomy to do so on their charter but won't have any control over other charter but what they are trying to is worthwhile to be given consideration in the future for others to follow .

Jon .

Brandon Khoo:
Chris, Nomad have over the years formed some quite definitive conclusions and whether you agree with them or not, they firmly believe them. They have far more experience than most of us doing this for a large part of the year so you have to respect their opinion.

* trebles do more damage to the fish - especially if the fish is unfortunate enough to get hooked with both sets because what results is that one set will almost certainly tear out damaging the fish in the process. Also, the treble in the jaw does more damage than a single hook
* once hooked, single hooks have a better retention rateAs I wrote, it is up to individuals as to what they believe but Nomad are doing this primarily for the sake of the the fish. After all, if you want to catch and release, there is no point if you are going to significantly damage the fish thus reducing its likelihood of survival. The simple reality though is that after this year, if you want to go out on a Nomad charter, you will need to comply with their rules. They are doing it for the right reasons.

Personally, I think it is a good thing. I cannot deny that based on my experience, trebles do more damage. I also firmly believe that when hooked, singles have a better retention rate. That said, I also believe that trebles have a better hookup rate, especially with pencil poppers.

In terms of what impact it will have on the way I rig, I'd say minimal. As it is, I already primarily rig with singles off the tail (except with pencil poppers) and a Baker rig off the belly. I really have developed a lot of faith in the Baker rig as have some of the people I fish with. I beleive it has the hookup rate of a treble and the retention rate of a single so it provides the best of both worlds.

Have I changed completely, well, probably not as I will probably still use some trebles but this will be in the minority. There are lures where I think I still prefer trebles on. I will still use trebles on pencil poppers and there are some poppers I think I will still use a big treble on the belly when I am not fishing with Nomad. These include the Ebipop 140 which works well with a Decoy 10/0, the Fisherman Bignouth HP 220 which works well with a Gamakatsu Recorder 8/0 and I still prefer the Cubera 125 with a Owner ST-76 5/0. All of that said, I will have singles off the tail on all my poppers and I can substitute Bakers without too much trouble.

Greg Burt:
In testing the rigs I find a tail spinner blade kills any action in a stickbait, and some stickbaits can be a bit 'flighty' without a belly treble because of the extra resistance and centre weight, although to large hooks in the baker rig do help.
 Poppers seem to loose little especially short poppers and a tail spinner blade.

Pic from Brandons archives :)

Sam Beeby:
Brandon,  Why do you use tebles still on pencils - is it for a better hook up rate at speed or because it helps the lure stay attached to the surface better?

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