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Treble debate

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Brandon Khoo:
Sam, a couple of reasons.
I find that the action is better in the way it keeps the tail down and I feel like trebles work well at speed where the fish tend to take the popper from the tail. Just my perceptions based on my experience. Others may have a different view.

Kasey Leong:
What about lure balancing?

I think someone mentioned that certain poppers were tested with trebles, and are meant to be rigged that way. I have noticed a difference between using trebles and singles, particularly if they are big trebles (eg decoy 10/0s) in the way the popper sits in the water.

Chris Young:
Thats a good point Kasey, A lot of lures are set up to accomodate the extra weight of large trebles, some of which weigh 25g each with a split ring. You can of course baker rig off the belly with the same weight but in some instances the hooks need to be so large they may hang up on the lure body. (like a jig hook does if it's too large)
Greg&Jon, Spinner blade off the back has its merrits for stability etc but what about trajectory? without the extra weight of the treble it was designed to carry some of these things might cast like a gum leaf.
A lot of these lures have been designed to cope with a given weight which includes trebles ,taking an 8/0 treble off the back of a lure is almost equal to removing the counterbalance on the tail altogether :o

Chris

Jon Li:
Chris ,

With chugger weighing less than 100 gr. there may be problem when it is heavy at the front , this may cause the lure to tumble in the air while being cast but for heavier popper 100 gr. and above , the tumbling will be minimum .

As for swivel blade at the tail , one need not use too big a swivel blade . For Cubera 125 the swivel blade should be just the size of one's thumb nail . The swivel blade turning like propeller in the water tend to hold the chugger from cartwheeling .

For stickbait , the absence of treble on the belly does make it slide in the water faster such as in Wahoo , that is why Ulua was created to give a little " feel " to the stickbait when twitched , one needs to use a sensitive rod for this . Swivel blade at the tail will not work on stickbait so don't bother using it , stick to a single hook with the gape larger than the cross section of the tail of the stickbait .

For some pencil popper longer than 200mm overall , the belly hook is not much use . I would rather just arm the tail with a barbless treble of a single hook with big gape .

Jon .   

Brandon Khoo:
I've found that stickbaits like the Ulua and Wahoo work better with a single or Baker than they do with a treble. You seem to get a better shimmer on them and as Jon wrote, they get throught the water better.

I also agree with his views on the pencil popper. I find the hook of the belly almost extraneous in that the very large majority are hooked on tha tail - but conversely to a stickbait, I feel the treble is important for the pencil's action

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