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Tosh Auer

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 03:30:04 PM
What size leader do you think you could go to before you start to retard the action of your poppers?  300lb?

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 05:34:08 PM
What size leader do you think you could go to before you start to retard the action of your poppers?  300lb?

Casting distance wud be greatly reduced when using such a thick leader . For big chugger , such thick leader may not affect the action much .

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Mark Harris

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 06:31:53 PM
Huge fun trying to knot it as well!  ;D

Brandon Khoo

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 06:45:07 PM
I can't get any knot outside of a nail knot to bite with really heavy mono.
Any other suggestions?
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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Brandon

I personally use much lighter flurocarbon (200lb) with an improved clinch knot. However, I know Nick Bowles uses the same knot successfully with 300lb mono.


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Trevor


Mark Harris

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 07:18:42 PM
Nail knot is the easiest once you get above 200lbs I think.

I have successfully formed 3 turn (only 3) uni knots in really heavy mono and fluoro though, often with the aid of pliers.  I remember managing this and winning a bet in  the process with Jinkai 300lbs.

For GT fishing though, is it really necessary to go above 200lbs single strand?  I use 170lbs as standard and sometimes venture up to 200, but no more.
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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Fg knot to heavy leader and then crimp to swivel. Never had it fail in well over a 100 trips!

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
I do exactly what Aaron does with the Yucatan. Simple, strong and effective. I don't use that heavy leader you guys are talking about now so have not done this but what if you used a crimp instead of a knot?

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:19:40 PM
I use a crimp- based system now. The nail knot is so painful to tie.
Mark, it's just for a bite leader segment. If a really big fish inhales the lure, it can wear through 170lb quite easily.
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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
Thanks for the clarification Brandon.

Have you considered a kevlar sleeve over your normal shock leader, rather than a separate bite leader?  I played around quite a lot with ideas for bite resistance and quite liked the kevlar sleeve set up as it was neat and avoided an extra connection (be it knot or crimp).

I guess that the downside of a kevlar sleeve is that the fish might see it quite easily?

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
We had big fish bite clean through 300lb shock leader on several occasions in Socotra.

We ended up using 400lb in some instances with 600lb Kevlar sleeve.

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
Wow Luke. Would you mind sharing how you set up the kevlar sleeve?  Just a simple sleeve with a knot to stop it moving?

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:33:24 PM
Do any of you use knot savers?


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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
Wow Luke. Would you mind sharing how you set up the kevlar sleeve?  Just a simple sleeve with a knot to stop it moving?

Hi Mark,

Yes, just slide the Kevlar over the nylon and then do a overhand knot near the junction so both materials are in the one knot.

Luke

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Re: Leader Setup's why so complex?
November 23, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
Brandon, on 270 lbs Sunline mono I have used a 6 turn clinch knot on a Profishco Grommet/ring with succes. Beautiful and strong knot, and the stress on the main part of the leader is eased at the bottom of the knot compared to a uni knot.

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