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Copies of Fisherman, Carpenter and HammerHead Poppers
Travis Heaps:
Your only four posts are spent "wondering" about this new range of knock off poppers that replicate the big japanese brands and then you go onto say you supposedly work in the tackle industry and have commissioned a whole bunch of blanks that you'll bring into australia and build up to replicate the big japanese brands....
Angus Hulme:
--- Quote from: Chris Young on September 30, 2008, 05:10:49 PM ---Hi Simon
I am not a fan of copies at all, and I'm not just talking about lures. They (copies) are usually not up to the standard of the originals they try to mimic. What really pi$$es me off is they try to ride on the back of someone elses hard work & turn out mass produced product with no thought about what they are trying to make (except dollars), these lures may look the same on the surface but the intricacies in making a lure work well go a good bit deeper than just looks.
My 2 cents
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fair point Chris, and I generally agree. For instance, I have seen quite a few copies of Nilsmaster lures and even tried a few of the cheaper replicas, but found that none of them worked nearly as well as the original Finnish masterpieces, nor were made with the same quality.
However, I am getting into making some stickbaits and poppers for my own use. And given that I am leaping into this activity with bugger-all clue about what lures are best and why, I have found it necessary to examine the top quality products such as Nomad/Blackjack/Heru lures and try to replicate these. If the copying of a product is for ones' own use and not for retail purposes, is imitation a bad thing? At any rate, don't they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? ;)
Interesting topic, BTW.
Cheers
Angus
Brandon Khoo:
Simon - could I ask who the manufacturer of the blanks is who is purportedly making blanks for Fisherman, Carpenter and Sevenseas?
--- Quote from: Simon Oakley on October 01, 2008, 11:38:10 AM ---I will wager they were made in China or Taiwan or Thailand ect as well but were made for an Australian Company at there request.
I work in the tackle industry so I have a fare idea where things are made. I also know you cant beat Japanese quality.
Actually I have some Popping and Jigging blanks being made in Japan as we speak.
There is 4 models in the Popping range that go from PE5 to PE10
In the Jigging range I have 6 models from PE2 to PE10
The manufacturer of these blanks also builds blanks for company's like Fisherman, Carpenter, SevenSea's ect but to there design
The blanks will be made in Japan but the rods will be built here.
I am still tossing up if I will offer the blanks for sale I may just do that considering you cant really buy Japanese blanks (well except for one over rated brand).
The guy I am working with in Japan is the Guru of Jigging and Popping blank design.
I have Trade Marked a pretty shit hot name as well that they will be sold under.
Thanks
regards
Simon
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Chris Young:
Angus.. I think its great that you are making your own lures, and I agree there is nothing wrong with copying for your own use. I am willing to bet that after you copy a few you will start to understand the why's and wherefore's and then start making your own shapes. It is through those same processes that ALL of the great lures are born, they evolve from ingenuity and imagination from people asking "what if" . Without that sort of thinking nothing would evolve and we would still be useing Huckleberry Fin fishing poles, Imagine how easy they would be to copy. :P
Cheers Chris
Simon Oakley:
--- Quote from: travis heaps on October 01, 2008, 01:14:13 PM ---
Your only four posts are spent "wondering" about this new range of knock off poppers that replicate the big japanese brands and then you go onto say you supposedly work in the tackle industry and have commissioned a whole bunch of blanks that you'll bring into australia and build up to replicate the big japanese brands
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For a start do you think any of the Japanese manufacturers that deal with these Japanese tackle company's would copy one of there Japanese customers blanks to sell to an Australian customer.
I don't know if you have ever dealt with anyone from Japan but they don't do that kind of thing. I didn't ship blanks or rods over to them in Japan and say here I want you to copy this Fisherman or Carpenter rod.
Who the hell would make quality Jigging and Popping blanks here in Australia, Pacific Composites, Synderglas ? The reason the Japanese blanks and rods are so good is because they use the Japanese High-Tec carbons that are only made in Japan.
The blanks I am having made are so much different to what the Japanese use now. My blanks are not as light as most of the Japanese tackle company's but are much stronger . How about a PE10, 7'10", 250gram cast weight popping rod that can take over 20Kg's of drag and are only 20% heavier then the average Japanese blank (built up it's still over 80grams lighter then the Shimano GT Special that everyone talks up around here and a hell of a lot stronger). The GT special I would rate as PE10 but because it can only take 12KG's of drag I think they rated it PE8 (My PE10 is around the same in power)
All of the Japanese tackle company's go for weight over strength I went for something different so how the hell can that be a copy.
I don't know what 4 post have to do with anything.
I have a rod manufacturing company (OzRods or The Australian Rod Company Pty Ltd) and import and distribute tackle mostly blanks and rod building components for company's like Batson Enterprises (ALPS), Lamiglas, Seeker, Swifty Manufacturing, American Tackle Company, Flex Coat, Pacific Bay, Matagi as well as others so that's the supposed tackle industry I am in.
Angus
If you are making lures for yourself or even your mates I don't think anyone will have a problem.
I don't even have a problem someone using an original as the base or concept for there design as long as it's not a exact copy.
Brandon
I wont say on an open forum who the exact manufacturer is but Japan only has 2 large Blank manufacturing company's as well as a number of very small ones.
Daiko is one of them and Tenryu is another but some of the small tackle company's do build there own blanks. I believe that Ripple Fisher manufacturer there own blanks.
I would have to say that 80% of blanks that are made in Japan come from those 2 company's. Another thing that most people don't know is a couple of mid sized tackle company's in Japan actually have a lot of there blanks made in Taiwan but the rods get built in Japan. Not all of there blanks are made in Taiwan just certain models
Like I said this guy in Japan that I am dealing with is in actual fact the designer for most of these gun tackle company's they just tell him what they want and he goes to work from there.
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