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thanks scahin, i have bought the rod sight unseen, so hopefully it will turn out to be something i can use with pencil's and stickbaits. wife has ordered me a ripple fisher custom for my b/day. so hopefully it will arrive in the 6 months or so that she was told it would take. have no idea where she's getting it from, but i can't complain, how many wives splash out big on a fishing rod for their husbands?