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Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) => Tackle & Techniques => Topic started by: Robert Tapert on July 03, 2011, 04:15:25 PM
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I am new to all of this but have a question. Are the new Gamma 200s that seem to be on every sales site specifically meant to be used with the Carpenter MH 80 H and the 79xh? was this a designed in tandem or mere coincidence?
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No - the Gamma has been around for years. The Monster Hunter series is a new product
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What were the rods of choice for working Gamma 200 and aboves before MH series came out?
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there are a number of rods you can use. The size and weight of the Gamma 200 is such that you could get away with most rods provided you know how to work the lure. When the lure first came out, I used a Tokara to literally flop it around (no idea how to work the lure then but it still caught fish!). I thought it was the worst lure ever made by man as I simply could not make it swim properly.
I have of late used a Ripple Ultimo UG79H which handles it beautifully. I have also used a Wild Violence with it. I have used the TBL711 as well although this is pushing the rod.
Provided you know how to work a surface stickbait, you can get away with most rods with this lure although a specialised stickbait rod lke the UG79H is ideal for getting the best out of the lure.
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Brandon
Is the gamma 200 too heavy for the new Endless passion?
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i have a ep88/35 and would say my personal sweet spot for the rod is 120-140g rigged. 200g is way too heavy for this rod.
u might still be able to work the lure, but u wont be casting very nicely.
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Please do not forget the weight of the armaments , a pair of #11 splitrings + a pair of #7/0 trebles can easily add 30+ grams to the overall weight of the lure you are casting .
Jon .
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YES!!
Brandon
Is the gamma 200 too heavy for the new Endless passion?
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there are a number of rods you can use. The size and weight of the Gamma 200 is such that you could get away with most rods provided you know how to work the lure. When the lure first came out, I used a Tokara to literally flop it around (no idea how to work the lure then but it still caught fish!). I thought it was the worst lure ever made by man as I simply could not make it swim properly.
I have of late used a Ripple Ultimo UG79H which handles it beautifully. I have also used a Wild Violence with it. I have used the TBL711 as well although this is pushing the rod.
Provided you know how to work a surface stickbait, you can get away with most rods with this lure although a specialised stickbait rod lke the UG79H is ideal for getting the best out of the lure.
Thanks Brandon, just what I needed to hear. I havn't had a chance to swim them yet but my Wild Violence works Crusty's Sidewinders really well so I had hoped it would be the same for the Gammas.
Cheers, Creffo.
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Provided you know how to work a surface stickbait, you can get away with most rods with this lure although a specialised stickbait rod lke the UG79H is ideal for getting the best out of the lure.
Which begs the question ... how does one work the lure? (any links or info gratefully recieved)
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Carpenter have a DVD which is very good
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where can I get said dvd and do I have to find a japanese translator
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You could try Tak Otsuka for one but you will need to BYO translator
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You could try Tak Otsuka for one but you will need to BYO translator
OK thanks - will start trawling HKG for a japanese pillow dictionary LOL
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I went out early this morning for a practice with a gammy 200 with 76 5/0 and my MH 79 XH. This was my trial with this bigger gamma on my new rod. It was not as easy as i had hoped to cast into a 12 to15 knt breeze. Unfortunately it was just a little rough and i could not get it swimming properly for even half of an entire cast. The second it got on a wave front all was lost. On lighter Kingie gear an on calm water i can get the gammas to swim most of the time or until I lose concentration. Personally however they are not nearly as easy to get them swimming as cherry pais. I eventually went back to practicing popping with a 180 kong. It cast very well into the wind and didn't seem to mind the chop--- and then the cold NZ rain came and i beat it home.
I got a copy of the carpenter dvd from a local tackle store for free ( I did buy three caprenter rods!). it was bootlegged but the tackle store said they had the approval of the carpenter guys. it is all in Japanese --no subtitles. It is a little like watching Lefty Kreh teach fly casting.. they all make it look so easy and smooth but I didn't understand anything they were saying.. I do have some questions about where the popper stops relative to the white water. From my limit experience I thought it was always in the white water but they showed some other techniques or perhaps those were things not to do or specific advanced techniques to some of the carpenter lures.
anyways questions for another day and a reason to revisit the tackle store (and Sato who is from japan and introduced me and my son to squid fishing!!!) . they are always only too willing to answer questions and sell me things.
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Rob,
Choppy and Gammy are not good friends. On the carpenter DVD, those flat waters in the harbour that Konishi-san is casting in will be no fun in NC because if we get conditions like that, from experience there will be very leetle fish. :( :(
You will almost have the whole deck of the Antares to yourself to cast if conditions are dead flat (I've just let out a major secret there...).
Kasey
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Kasey
Thus Better I spend money a better bottle of scotch than a nemo!!
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Kasey - why are you spelling "little" as "leetle"?
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Yep very strange spelling "guy"s! ;D
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I'd love a detailed description on how to make these things swim. Apparently some people can make them work amazing but to be honest the only proof I have of that is that video of it swimming in the harbor, the rest is hearsay. Probably revealing my lack of skill ;D but does anyone have any tips because at the moment, and for the price, I can't even begin to justify buying one again let alone really bothering to tie the one i have on for a serious fish?? :-\