Varivas Avani GT Casting Max Power PE

[Jon Li]

Hi Andy ,

Shimano distributors in Jakarta charges IDR. 200k for part n service to replace the roller but a few anglers had to do the same exercise a couple of times and each time they were charged the same amount , hence the opinions of the design flaw from the manufacturer's side in this particular topic .

Jon .

[Andy Rowe]

Hi Jon, it does not surprise me you'd get charged here.

Need to give my stellas a service anyway and my old twin power which is making some nasty noises under load.

[Mark Harris]

Hi Jon, it does not surprise me you'd get charged here.

Need to give my stellas a service anyway and my old twin power which is making some nasty noises under load.

Andy, if it is purely the bail arm roller change which is an acknowledged problem by Shimano, it should most definitely be done for free. This problem is so well acknowledged by Shimano they even have the coloured dot system for the boxes which tell you whether the the problem has already been dealt with.

If P.T Aneka Raya Pancing in Jakarta will not fix for free, I would suggest emailing Shimano Singapore and making a very loud complaint. Singapore are ultimately responsible for the Indonesian authorised dealers.

[Duncan O'Connell]

Hi Guys
Just to clear it up, Varivas Avani GT 'Casting' Max Power is the same line as Avani GT Max Power. It is just spooled in different lengths instead of the usual 600m.

Interesting thread on the subject of line breaks. Like you guys, I've broken a fair few lines over the years for many different reasons. I think the number one reason for unexplained line failure in GT fishing is due to previous wind knots or guide wraps weakening the line. Often this happens in brand new line because the angler has tried to fit too much line on the spool, causing a few major casting knots early in the line's life.
Another major cause is not winding the line on tightly enough when spooling up. If the line is 'soft on the spool, then it will bite into itself under load. As the line digs into itself and then gets ripped out under load, it can cause significant damage to the line. Often this happens when a new spool of line seems great and then after a couple of fish it suddenly starts to fail unexpectedly.

In the shop I see very few examples of truly dud braid (though it can happen). Generally, as much we hate to admit it, braid breakages usually come back to something that we anglers have done to the line ourselves.

Cheers

Duncan

[Andy Rowe]

Hi Duncan,

I'd sort of assumed this but the issue is the stated average breaking point of the lines, for instance PE8 100lb vs 112lb for the casting version and no IGFA rating for the latter!!.

If you had links with Varivas people I'd love to know what the differences really are, if any, could we also therefore conclude the 'Tuna' and 'Big One' are simply painted versions of the same in this case then?



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[Duncan O'Connell]

Hi Andy,

I hadn't seen the chart, now its got me confused! when I was speaking to them recently in Japan, I was told it is essentially the same line. I'll see what I can find out.

[Mark Harris]

Duncan, if there is anyway you could sort that out with Varivas I am sure many of us would be eternally grateful!  Like Andy and I would imagine others, I have always found the various Varivas lines very confusing. Despite that, I still rarely use anything else!

On line failures, I think your comments are spot on. I have always at least tried not to judge a line based on one incident as I realise it may well have been my fault.  However, when there is a pattern of multiple breakages of the same brand, but not with others, then I think a judgement can be made.

[troy roberts]

Hi all just want to say theres a lot of talk why and how the line breaks but how can i go into my backyard and tie what is arguably a pretty dodgy knot pull it over scales that have been tested using set weights and pulled slowly not jerked 100lb or pe8 line breaks at 18kgs the manufactures sent back test results saying that said line broke over there shimadzu breaktest machine on average 39.6kgs thats a lot of difference. Go test for yourself i say .

May your fish be huge and your beers icy

[Peter Olesen]

Hi all

I asked Varivas about the difference between Avani GT Max Power and Avani Casting Max Power. I just got this answer from Varivas, UK:

"Hello Peter,
 
Thank you for your e-mail enquiry via our Varivas web site.
 
I am not a member of the GT Popping.com forum, so I can not
access the discussion.
 
I can tell you that there is no difference between the PE lines
sold as Avani GT Max Power and Avani Casting PE Max Power.
 
Similarly with Avani GT SMP and Avani GT SMP Casting.
 
Avani GT Max Power and Avani GT SMP (Super Max Power) were
originally sold only on 600M spools.
In response to customer demand, we decided to offer the same
lines, in both types, in a selection of spool lengths (200M, 300M,
400M, 500M, 600M) to suit various reel capacities.
We were also able to "add" a few smaller sizes, which didn't make
much sense in solely 600M spool lengths.
 
This does mean, however, that some sizes are available in 600M
spools as Avani GT Max Power and Avani Casting Max Power.
But they are exactly the same lines - and the same price list price.
 
I hope this helps.
If I can be of further help, feel free to contact me at this
e-mail address.
 
Thank you for your interest in our Varivas products.
David
 
David Mitchell
VARIVAS (UK)"

Then I asked about the difference in breaking strength between the two lines and got this reply:

"Hello again Peter,
 
PE "multi-filament" lines (braided PE) are notoriously difficult to
gauge breaking strains of with any great precision.
We would typically run tests, on a random selection of stock lines,
at 10 random positions on each line.  This would give us not only the
"average" breaking strain, but also "maximum" and "minimum" breaking
strains.
The breaking strain figures published for the original Avani GT Max
Power lines were "average" breaking strains, which is the figure the
pleasure angler is really interested in.
The "maximum" bs figures are given for the Casting PE Max version
as a guide for possible IGFA record applications, etc.
We guarantee the lines will break "at or before" the maximum figures,
whereas the LB  breaking strain figures shown for Avani GT Max lines
are "average", and therefore not so accurate.
With multi-filament lines, in sizes up to 100lbs or 150lbs, no manufacturer
can guarantee exact, reproducible breaking strains.  The highest-quality
lines will have least margin of variation.
Hence, for example, our GT Max size #5 is shown as bs LB 70lbs,
but the Casting PE Max line size #5 is shown as MAX LB 78lbs.
The same line.
We can't tell you exactly what breaking strain the line will break at.
No manufacturer can.
But we can tell you the maximum breaking strain it will break at,
therefore guaranteeing it WILL break at-or-before that figure.
 
Does this all make sense? I've never tried to explain that before!
 
David"

So for PE10, the average BS is tested to 130 lbs where as the max BS is 137 lbs. Another parameter which would be nice to know is: What is the minimum BS? I think you could estimate it to 123 lbs whithout stretching the math too much

Hope it is useful to some of you.

I just bought the Casting Max Power, hence my interest.

Peter

[Jason D'Angelo]

do all you boys use the pe10 gt max for popping ?
how does cast being thicker PE

[Antonino Augugliaro]

....using Daiichi winding machine ....

Sorry if it's OT, but I'd like some more info or some link for these type of machine.

I would like to find one that allows me to fill the spool with no stress for the line. Currently, I do this manually, but I don't think it's the best way: so many stress for the line (on the guide of rod and on roller of reel) , so unnecessary work for the gears of the reel, very hard works for spooling at the right tension...

May be I'm wrong, but I think that spooling tension must be near (or a little bit more) to drag setting tension, to prevent that the line goes under the braided in the spool, in case of an important fighting.


So, I'm looking for something similar, but simpler and cheeper:


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I try to find this daiichi winding machine whit no results.
Thanks in advance for yours help. I hope my English is comprehensible. Sorry if it is not 

[Antonino Augugliaro]

This one look like what I'm looking for. Some of you have already used it?:

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[Dmitrii Novgorodtcev]

Hi Antonio,

I was writing about this machine
http://www.daiichiseiko.com/products/detail.php?product_id=2453
In English it is called "Recycle DS"

there are two movies on this link how you can use it

And this is also good link to this item
http://www.daiichiseiko.com/news/recycler/recycler.html

[Antonino Augugliaro]

Thanks Dmitrii 
I will take in to consideration this item, although is not exactly what I had in my mind...

[Clem Henry]

Guys

I recently sent 2 samples of Avani GT SMP PE8 and PE10 to Paulus for independent testing...I was concerned with the PE8 as I thought it broke prematurely when testing a knot..anyway results below

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4linetesting.htm

The PE8 tested 95.95lb Diameter .591

The PE10 tested 122.7lb Diameter .653