Terminal Knot with 2 Contact Points

[Luke Wyrsta]

I have always used a 5-turn Uni knot for most terminal connections. Personally, it has never failed me, however, it can fatigue once the monofilament has been stretched. This is why testing knots and connections regularly is a wise move.

Does anyone have suggestions for a terminal connection knot that passes/seats neatly "TWICE" through the eye of the terminal/lure?

There's been some similar comments recently, however, I thought it would be best to start a new topic to see if we can determine if there is a solution.

[Mark Harris]

Adhek has been using a double threaded Trilene knot for terminal connection for more years than he would probably like to admit. Just like this:

http://www.animatedknots.com/trilene/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

I find it awkward but I am not the world's most dextrous knot-tier.  I guess with practice it comes. He is on the water 150-200 days a year so he has had plenty of that! Better knot tiers than me could probably get to grips with this OK.

Initially I found tying a double threaded Uni (usually four turns) almost as awkward as the Trilene. But I have been practicising a lot and now use it regularly without any issues. I found the key problem to be the second thread jumping out of place when forming the knot, even with the most memory free and supple leader.  With practice you can get over this by applying the right amounts of pressure at the right moments.  With stiff leader I am not sure this knot would be possible.

[Andy Rowe]

Good concept Luke. I have been thinking about this since it came up recently too.

I have used the improved clinch knot on GT rigs since 2006 and never had an issue with it, touch wood.

With your prompt Luke, Oman coming up in October again and a spare moment I just double looped my favorite knot through the terminal of a lure and it looks and feels very solid. Here is a photo and a link with diagram and video. I do 5 turns and put a fair bit of saliva on to lock it down. This is 170lb varivas btw, i usually use fisherman which is more supple.

Happy releasing.

http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/improved-clinch-knot

[Luke Wyrsta]

Adhek has been using a double threaded Trilene knot for terminal connection for more years than he would probably like to admit. Just like this:

http://www.animatedknots.com/trilene/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

I find it awkward but I am not the world's most dextrous knot-tier.  I guess with practice it comes. He is on the water 150-200 days a year so he has had plenty of that! Better knot tiers than me could probably get to grips with this OK.

Initially I found tying a double threaded Uni (usually four turns) almost as awkward as the Trilene. But I have been practicising a lot and now use it regularly without any issues. I found the key problem to be the second thread jumping out of place when forming the knot, even with the most memory free and supple leader.  With practice you can get over this by applying the right amounts of pressure at the right moments.  With stiff leader I am not sure this knot would be possible.

How does it seat Mark?

Like you, I've also double threaded a Uni - it just doesn't sit/seat right for my liking though.

Thanks for that suggestion.

[Luke Wyrsta]

Good concept Luke. I have been thinking about this since it came up recently too.

I have used the improved clinch knot on GT rigs since 2006 and never had an issue with it, touch wood.

With your prompt Luke, Oman coming up in October again and a spare moment I just double looped my favorite knot through the terminal of a lure and it looks and feels very solid. Here is a photo and a link with diagram and video. I do 5 turns and put a fair bit of saliva on to lock it down. This is 170lb varivas btw, i usually use fisherman which is more supple.

That seats quite nicely! Thanks for the suggestion!

I think the 2 contact point knot is what I would probably move towards for ALL my fishing applications. Makes sense.

[Andy Rowe]

Mark, the knot in your link is very similar to the improved clinch. The only difference your knot goes through a loop created by the double, i snug my double insertion to terminal down tight and put it through the gap in the legs as in the video.

I do need to test this new method though.

Funny Luke, I picked up my initial GT fishing techniques from an article in an old fishing mag from 2006 or 7, the story and pictures were taken on the French NC boys boat, I have a funny feeling you may have been photographed in the story as well, the magazine is long lost. I remember them recommending tackle and this knot which included the first Ian Miller 7'6" bluewater T curve 15-24kg.. . The rod took so long to order from Aussie that I had already located Japanese rods in the interim and it have never been used.

[Mark Harris]

Luke, the Trilene when tied properly sits really nicely. As I said, unfortunately shovel hands here can't get it quite right. I wish I was seeing Adhek imminently and I would then take a pic for you.

On the double thread uni, I think I know what you mean as it does not sit as nicely/neatly as the standard uni. I do get it to grip and bite well though and I think it is a very secure connection.  It was Ed Nicholas who put me onto tying a uni this way.

Andy, yep very similar for sure. Yours sits beautifully as does the Trilene if you can tie it. I am going to practice the version you posted.

[Sami Ghandour]

I use the clinch knot at all time for GT & Tuna fishing and it never failed me,
you can get away with the double if you are using 150lb mono or less but for GT fishing i personally use 300lb shot leader and i can only get 1 round, so far so good and i don't think i will change this set up.

[Brandon Khoo]

This is a great thread - going to try all of these.
I have tried the uni with the double loop before but it just won't sit properly for me

[Luke Wyrsta]

I am going to tie both and see what is easier to put into the memory bank

[Malcolm Crane]

Try the modified Jansik knot. I've been using it for probably a couple of years now after Roger from Streamline Leaders recommended it to me and I'm completely confident with the knot. It's all I use. It's the simplest knot to tie, you can literally do it in seconds and barely need to watch what you are doing.
You'll find links on the web to the Jansik knot and they are easy to follow. However, for the heavier leader we use its only necessary to make two loops through the eye of the lure or swivel, pass the tag end behind the main line and then back twice through the loops created and then pulled tight. A very small and neat jam knot is created.

Malcolm

[Brandon Khoo]

I like that Jansik knot!!

[Duncan O'Connell]

I've used the Chain knot (the same one commonly used for jigging) for connecting mid-weight leaders to lures. All my heavy GT leaders are crimped to a swivel, but I commonly use the chain knot up to 130lb mono or about 80lb fluoro. I haven't had any problems with this connection, though the 'chain' section of the knot doesn't ever seem to sit completely straight and neat as I would like it to.
Beyond those strengths I find it difficult to get it to seat properly. The wraps around the eye of the lure tend to want to jump over one another which then cuts into itself under load.

I noticed that Kenji Konishi uses the chain knot for connecting main leaders onto a crimped loop on his bite leader attached to Gammas, which I thought was a bit different.

Duncan

[Brandon Khoo]

I hate that chain knot connection - it's bulky, chunky, doesn't bite properly with heavy leader and never seems to sit properly. That said, while a couple of the half hitches will loosen, the knot is almost foolproof as it will not slip. It was popularised by Mogi San which is why a lot of the Japanese use it

[Mark Harris]

With you on the Chain Knot thing -  I am sure it works but it always looks so untidy.

The Jansik knot is interesting for sure and looks very simple to tie.  Off to try it!