Topwater Caranx Ignobilis: Giant Trevally (GT) > Tackle & Techniques
FG and PR Knots
Ken Best:
I like to pull my FG's up tight after the hitches around both leader and braid. Its a confidence thing I guess, I know it won't slip.
After this I do the hitches around the braid mainline with no mushroom.
I now use this knot for barramundi using 30lb braid to 60lb leader. A bit finicky to tie but works a treat.
Ken
Jamie Moir:
--- Quote from: Luke Wyrsta on December 08, 2010, 11:06:48 AM ---
LOL. I wouldn't go trusting any magazine article - as reputable as publication as they may be!
I think it's best to trust one's own preferences and ability to tie knots.
Never heard of a tapered FG, and have not seen one tied like that.
Not all knot tiers are made equal.
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I didn't trust the mag, I did my own testing. Out the front of my house, hanging scuba weights in a bucket. I found that once I had the crosswraps done, the half hitches etc were completely irrelevant to know strength, right up to the point of only going a couple to stop the crosswraps from coming undone.
I agree its best that you learn how to tie a knot well and use it.
Just adding to Brandon's comment about anecdotal evidence that the mono tag end ball is unnecessary.
Luke Wyrsta:
--- Quote from: Jamie Moir on December 08, 2010, 11:31:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: Luke Wyrsta on December 08, 2010, 11:06:48 AM ---
LOL. I wouldn't go trusting any magazine article - as reputable as publication as they may be!
I think it's best to trust one's own preferences and ability to tie knots.
Never heard of a tapered FG, and have not seen one tied like that.
Not all knot tiers are made equal.
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I didn't trust the mag, I did my own testing. Out the front of my house, hanging scuba weights in a bucket. I found that once I had the crosswraps done, the half hitches etc were completely irrelevant to know strength, right up to the point of only going a couple to stop the crosswraps from coming undone.
I agree its best that you learn how to tie a knot well and use it.
Just adding to Brandon's comment about anecdotal evidence that the mono tag end ball is unnecessary.
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Sure.
You may want to add a shock load to that test. A test such as yours is only one part of an adequate test.
Mark Harris:
--- Quote from: Mario Benedict on December 08, 2010, 10:38:04 AM ---Do you find that burning the leader to a mushroom head necessary Brandon ? It's very tricky to do it on a rocky boat. The skipper in NZ didn't really bother with burning the leader and he said it doesn't really make much of a difference as long as the half hitches and wraps are tight.
Last thing you want to do is burn the mainline braid and have to redo the knot all over again :-[
Also is 2 inch of wraps on the PR knot sufficient ?
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I think both burning the leader to the mushroom head and doing the final braid cut after the last half hitches is best done with a Bouz braid cutter. This little gizmo allows precision with fire in a confident way - very different to losing a normal lighter. And it is totally windproof for use on a boat. I am usually not one for fancy gizmos but I never go fishing without this one.
Peter Childs:
Gareth, you don't have to crank up each half hitch itself, the idea is to set the entire knot after the half hitches are done (just keep them firm)! You gotta remember the knot is designed to slip slightly (very slightly) in order to bite into the leader.
Luke, I have had one or two FG's "back out" without burning the end of the leader over, obviously not tightened enough. This has followed repeated casting (Ie loading and unloading the line) without hookups (more intense pressure). This hasn't happened to me with the leader end burned over.
The way the knot is structured, if the first wraps on the leader are pushed toward the half hitch end of the knot (which is the direction of pressure the guides can exert on the wraps during casting) the knot can slide. I've noticed, the longer the wrap section that is tied, the more prone these first wraps are to sliding, due to the fact that friction at the hitch end of a 'long' knot prevents the first wraps from being tensioned by the tensioning process!
As such, I've found a 'long' knot, potentially less reliable than a short knot (I preface that by saying an innadequately tensioned 'long' knot)!
For what its worth, I know tie about 1/2 inch of wraps in PE6 (3/4 inch in PE8), 8 full hitches (one way), 6 mainline hitches (alternating) and burn the leader end and braid tag (the braid tag is just to stop it fraying) - haven't had any issues since!
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