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FG and PR Knots

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Mark Harris:

--- Quote from: Peter Childs on December 08, 2010, 12:15:19 PM ---I've noticed, the longer the wrap section that is tied, the more prone these first wraps are to sliding, due to the fact that friction at the hitch end of a 'long' knot prevents the first wraps from being tensioned by the tensioning process!

As such, I've found a 'long' knot, potentially less reliable than a short knot (I preface that by saying an innadequately tensioned 'long' knot)!

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I noticed the exact same thing Peter. With PE8 and PE10 line, any more than 12 weaves/wraps in a FG seems to be superfluous as the first ones seem to slip. With lighter lines though, it seems to be more like 15.

Luke Wyrsta:
Agreed. Mine rarely exceed 1.5 inches.

Brandon also showed me that he prefers a smaller FG.

Gavin Ng:
so you guys are only doing 12-15 wraps for the fg? are you pulling them tight and making the braid gram in every 5 turns or so? I try to keep the tension on as much as possible when doing the wraps, but i am finding it difficult to get the whole knot to grab onto the leader.

after the half hitches, i will pull the leader and the braid in opposite directions, the braid then grabs into the leader, but only the last 2/3 grabs, the first part of the knot looks the same as originally wrapped. is this an issue? does the whole knot need to grab? if so, what am I doing wrong?

Cheers

Brandon Khoo:
exactly what I was going to respond with. A shock load is different test altogether.
I actually tried this for a while using lighter gear and while it worked, I had one instance where a big strike saw me lose the leader and lure.
In any event, go with what you're comfortable using. If you trust it, by all means, use it but for me, I'll continue to have the little burnt knob.



--- Quote from: Luke Wyrsta on December 08, 2010, 11:33:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jamie Moir on December 08, 2010, 11:31:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: Luke Wyrsta on December 08, 2010, 11:06:48 AM ---
LOL. I wouldn't go trusting any magazine article - as reputable as publication as they may be!

I think it's best to trust one's own preferences and ability to tie knots.

Never heard of a tapered FG, and have not seen one tied like that.

Not all knot tiers are made equal.

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I didn't trust the mag, I did my own testing. Out the front of my house, hanging scuba weights in a bucket. I found that once I had the crosswraps done, the half hitches etc were completely irrelevant to know strength, right up to the point of only going a couple to stop the crosswraps from coming undone.

I agree its best that you learn how to tie a knot well and use it.

Just adding to Brandon's comment about anecdotal evidence that the mono tag end ball is unnecessary.

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Sure.

You may want to add a shock load to that test. A test such as yours is only one part of an adequate test.

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Mark Harris:
12 weaved wraps for an FG yes Gavin. That's enough I believe. I tighten 'casually' every 3 weaves, so four times.

How many half hitches are doing before the BIG tighten?  I do 3 or 4 only then a gut-wrenching tighten before doing the rest of the half hitches and another big pull. If you do that the weaved section as well as the first few half hitches should tighten noticeably and really grip into the leader.

Different folks will have their own little variations on the precision of tying an FG but the principle is always the same.

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